ICE told to get the eff out

[MNW67]

I assume you worked there legally?

therefore had nothing to fear filing a tax return.

Yes, I was.

But this is just more deflection.

Just read the Yale University article. There is a link to a report from the Congressional Budget Office. These are the people who provide reports for US Senators:

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) noted in a 2007 report that between 50-75% of unauthorized immigrants pay some combination of federal income and/or payroll taxes.

What you don't understand is that illegal immigrants have historically been treated with a nod and a wink in the USA. Very different to here. They are encouraged to pay taxes. Until very recently, there was complete isolation between IRS and ICE to enable illegal immigrants to have confidence that their tax information would not be used to track them down and deport them.

 

[noseall]

Nosenout has no right to work.

Not strictly true, but irrelevant.

 

[noseall]

Just read the Yale University article

He refuses to. Just like he turns away when he sees this....

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities

Read more.

 

[motorbiking]

Not strictly true, but irrelevant.

true and relevant.

Yes, I was.

But this is just more deflection.

Just read the Yale University article. There is a link to a report from the Congressional Budget Office. These are the people who provide reports for US Senators:



What you don't understand is that illegal immigrants have historically been treated with a nod and a wink in the USA. Very different to here. They are encouraged to pay taxes. Until very recently, there was complete isolation between IRS and ICE to enable illegal immigrants to have confidence that their tax information would not be used to track them down and deport them.

Do you accept that its all changed now?

 

[noseall]

true and relevant.

Completely irrelevant seeing as millions of illegal migrants work in the US, contribute to the economy, pay income taxes and are useful contributors to society

So yes, utterly irrelevant

 

[MNW67]

true and relevant.

Do you accept that its all changed now?

Not all changed.

Mostly it is still the same.

Trump made a specific change in the autumn which allows IRS to give ICE information when there is already a final deportation order.

 

[motorbiking]

So...

- employers get massive fines and are more likely to be fined if they on-book illegals
- illegals who file get targeted and are easier to trace
- lobby groups pretend that the billions paid by non-citizens via income withholding taxes should be added to illegals to argue they make a contribution.

see how the argument

millions of illegal migrants work in the US, contribute to the economy, pay income taxes and are useful contributors to society

doesn't stack up.

 

[noseall]

So...

- employers get massive fines and are more likely to be fined if they on-book illegals
- illegals who file get targeted and are easier to trace
- lobby groups pretend that the billions paid by non-citizen's via income withholding taxes should be added to illegals to argue they make a contribution.

see how the argument

doesn't stack up.

Nope.

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities

Read more.

 

[MNW67]

lobby groups pretend that the billions paid by non-citizen's via income withholding taxes should be added to illegals to argue they make a contribution

Source?

You have the Congressional Budget Office, Ivy League Universities and prestigious independent think tanks all saying that illegal immigrants pay a huge amount of income tax. But for some reason you think you know better. It's getting a bit mad!

 

[noseall]

It's getting a bit mad!

The bloke is a loon.

 

[MNW67]

employers get massive fines and are more likely to be fined if they on-book illegals

But there are plenty of get outs. It is all done with nod and a wink.

illegals who file get targeted and are easier to trace

Until a few months ago, there was total separation. Now, in a tiny minority of cases, they can be traced. Although, I think even that is currently banned under a court injunction.

 

[motorbiking]

Source?

You have the Congressional Budget Office, Ivy League Universities and prestigious independent think tanks all saying that illegal immigrants pay a huge amount of income tax. But for some reason you think you know better. It's getting a bit mad!

if you read the detail, you see the switch in terminology.

A lot of the sources self reference, when you actually get to the article that supports the claims its talking about something different. You don't get too far before the word "estimate" starts to do a lot of heavy lifting..

and of course as I've already said, pointing at non-citizen withholding tax receipts is nonsense. I suspect there are millions of people around the world who are not illegal immigrants who fall in to that category. Me for example and anyone who wants to retain their green card while no longer living in the US.

 

[Brigadier]

Watch until the end.

MAGA morons are truly the thickest, most hateful, and most unaware bunch on the planet

 

[MNW67]

I've already said, pointing at non-citizen withholding tax receipts is nonsense.

Who is doing that. Can you give some actual examples. Are you conflating.

 

[MNW67]

and of course as I've already said, pointing at non-citizen withholding tax receipts is nonsense. I suspect there are millions of people around the world who are not illegal immigrants who fall in to that category. Me for example and anyone who wants to retain their green card while no longer living in the US.

Is this what you are referring to:

It is a variation on the residual method employed by the Department of Homeland Security (Baker 2021) and of similar methods employed by other researchers (Passel and Cohn 2018; Van Hook et al. 2023; Warren 2024).

The method utilizes demographic, employment, and other social and economic characteristics to make a series of ‘logical edits’ to the entire population of the United States that leaves us with a pool of individuals who are very likely undocumented. The logical edits we employed take place over several iterations, which are listed below.

Round 1: Identify the entire pool of potential non-citizen residents of the United States as a starting point for the analysis. This includes anyone who:

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

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