Take that, Trump

And that really is the problem.

Some of us more enlightened minds can see the big picture. The dangers of a narcissistic, autocratic leader employing AI with no guardrails against his own citizens and allies.

Others are only interested in discussing the bottom line of a business deal.
 
MNW67 said:
And that really is the problem.

Some of us more enlightened minds can see the big picture.
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There needs to be safeguards, but the terms of service are not the place. The more enlightened can see through the game.
MNW67 said:
The dangers of a narcissistic, autocratic leader employing AI with no guardrails against his own citizens and allies.

Others are only interested in discussing the bottom line of a business deal.
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You think a CEO is the right person to call the shots?

I'm not fooled by the stance of the soon to be ex-supplier. They walked in with their eyes open.
 
MNW67 said:
And that really is the problem.

Some of us more enlightened minds can see the big picture. The dangers of a narcissistic, autocratic leader employing AI with no guardrails against his own citizens and allies.

Others are only interested in discussing the bottom line of a business deal.
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I had no doubt that the orange man-baby would retaliate.
I’m no less impressed however that Anthropic told the fat orange rapist to do one, rather than bow to their unethical demands.
Massive Respect.
 
motorbiking said:
You think a CEO is the right person to call the shots?

I'm not fooled by the stance of the soon to be ex-supplier. They walked in with their eyes open.
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Can you clarify what you mean by 'call the shots'.

I have no problem with a free market where two parties can make an honest deal. I have a big problem with a government which says either sell us your product on the terms we demand or we will do everything in your power to destroy you. That is no different, in effect, to communism or fascism.
 
Are you familiar with the US Defense Production Act or do I need to summarise?

If there is a problem with how tech is used the right and proper place to restrict it, is to start with legislators. Companies, their shareholders etc etc, are not the people to decide what is ethical or not.

Anthropic's motivation was probably the impact on its growth of having its tech used for "bad". They are planning an IPO at 350bn (I'm not convinced, but then I thought Facebook would not go above 20bn).

You have to see through the "ethical" stance.
 
Anthropic does not have a traditional corporate structure. They are a Public Benefit Corporation.
 
motorbiking said:
If there is a problem with how tech is used the right and proper place to restrict it, is to start with legislators. Companies, their shareholders etc etc, are not the people to decide what is ethical or not.
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It is absolutely down to any company to decide on what terms they will enter into a contract. And then to have the right to walk away if they don't reach an agreement on the terms.

And in a free country, they should be able to do that without the government taking all possible steps to destroy them.

Do you accept these fundamental principles.
 
MNW67 said:
Anthropic does not have a traditional corporate structure. They are a Public Benefit Corporation.
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Like so many before.. OpenAI AIx..
MNW67 said:
It is absolutely down to any company to decide on what terms they will enter into a contract. And then to have the right to walk away if they don't reach an agreement on the terms.

And in a free country, they should be able to do that without the government taking all possible steps to destroy them.

Do you accept these fundamental principles.
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And what if they don't walk away, what if they want to do a deal with Iran, China or Russia. Its not up to them who and how they do business.
 
motorbiking said:
Like so many before..
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While thousands of private companies are PBCs, this structure is rare among major, venture-backed AI firms and large technology companies, which generally prioritize maximising shareholder value.
 
motorbiking said:
And what if they don't walk away, what if they want to do a deal with Iran, China or Russia. Its not up to them who and how they do business.
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You seem to be starting down the deflection/conflation path.

How is that relevant to anything I wrote.
 
MNW67 said:
You seem to be starting down the deflection/conflation path.

How is that relevant to anything I wrote.
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Im pointing out that it is not, and should not be up to the CEO. They are not democratically elected and they can drop their PBC fairly easily.

If we want to stop "bad" AI, then firstly you have to consider if the "enemy" will do it anyway and if they will gain an advantage, secondly the route to stopping "bad" AI is via democracy and legislation.
 
motorbiking said:
Im pointing out that it is not, and should not be up to the CEO. They are not democratically elected and they can drop their PBC fairly easily.

If we want to stop "bad" AI, then firstly you have to consider if the "enemy" will do it anyway and if they will gain an advantage, secondly the route to stopping "bad" AI is via democracy and legislation.
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Communist ;)
 
But the serious point is that AI is developing so fast that there is no way for legislators to keep up. The only people who can get their heads round these issues are those at the frontier. Thank goodness we have companies like Anthropic to offer a safe, ethical and principled alternative.
 
MNW67 said:
But the serious point is that AI is developing so fast that there is no way for legislators to keep up. The only people who can get their heads round these issues are those at the frontier. Thank goodness we have companies like Anthropic to offer a safe, ethical and principled alternative.
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its not much use, if the next guy steps in, as has happened.

The US overreach a lot in how tech is used, compared to other nations. Export controls, Patriot Act, etc all designed to ensure nobody sells the good stuff to the "bad" people. Given Trump's "Popularity" in Europe, I can see the big hyperscalers needing to spin off their EU divisions as people start to find so call sovereign clouds.
 
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