There are some sick people in this country.

Yes, I agree with it. They want it set up within the first 100 days of getting into power.
'Farage admitted Reform UK lacks a clear policy but is investigating alternative, radical models'...

Like a 'Royal Commission'?

Not exactly 'radical' is it. Just another 'can down the road', given it'll take at least until after the next parliament to 'report back' :rolleyes:

And I think you have misunderstood the reality of 'Adult Social Care' as a concept...

It's not just to do with old people's care, as your anecdote suggests...

It's far more wide ranging and relevant to this topic...

"Adult social care in the UK refers to practical, physical, and emotional support provided to adults (18+) who need help to live independently due to age, illness, physical or learning disabilities, or mental health conditions"

Like governments, you fail to take the overall view and pick and choose who you would wish to benefit ;)
 
Yes, I agree with it. They want it set up within the first 100 days of getting into power.

"The party's main idea for adult social care in England is to set up a royal commission within the first 100 days of a new government. This would draw up a national plan for a sustainable system to support people who are older and disabled in the community. The party also talks about providing tax incentives and VAT breaks and says more funding will be needed when a plan is agreed".
Very much a 'kick the can down the road' while appearing to address the problem.

It usually takes up to 4 months to set up a Royal Commission, so the first 100 days is expected to be near that usual time period.
Then it usually takes up to 4 years for the Royal Commission to report its findings and recommendations.
So a suggested Royal Commission wouldn't be reporting or making recommendations until about 4½ years after the new government has been formed, which usually takes at least a 2 or 3 weeks, assuming there's only 1 obvious candidate for PM.
In a contested or government needing a coalition, it can take much longer. Then there's the complication of the King's Speech, and the new MPs to be sworn in, etc.
So let's assume 1 month for the setting up of a new government, new Parliament, etc.
All that setting up of the government, the Parliament, the Royal Commission, the process of the Royal Commission, etc will fill 4½ years. And a Government/ Parliament runs for 5 years, assuming there' no crisis during that time.

Yep, definitely a 'kick the can down the road' exercise.
 
Very much a 'kick the can down the road' while appearing to address the problem.



Yep, definitely a 'kick the can down the road' exercise.

Gotta start somewhere unless you have a better solution

Maybe if the other parties had 'kicked the can down the road' years ago, the can would be where the can should be nowdays?
 
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5 yr olds have better debating skills than you...

You're not exactly a glowing advertisement for old age are you ;)
Maybe I should take a tip from you with regards to debating skills and instead of replying to a question or post, just trot out your………..

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If anything, it just proves you are a one trick pony poster.

Whenever I mention your cringeworthy farewell post I ……no, better not mention it otherwise you’ll run screaming to the mods again.
 
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Tax incentives for those paying for their own care would be welcome - Mrs Motties mum pays @ £75k a year for her care yet is still taxed very heavily on her pensions and the interest on her savings. Half the people in her care home pay nothing at all.

IANAL, or accountant, but I sort of think she could form a company to provide care for her, and she pays them and they buy the service from the care home. She transfers the savings to the company so that it's an asset and income from it is used to offset the care-home fees, so in effect 100% tax relief on that, at least?
 
IANAL, or accountant, but I sort of think she could form a company to provide care for her, and she pays them and they buy the service from the care home. She transfers the savings to the company so that it's an asset and income from it is used to offset the care-home fees, so in effect 100% tax relief on that, at least?
Not sure how that works but she couldn’t tell you what day it is and Mrs Mottie and her sister have a POA for her.
 
Whenever I mention your cringeworthy farewell post I ……no, better not mention it otherwise you’ll run screaming to the mods again.
Screaming with laughter is more like it :LOL:
 
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Not sure how that works

Nor I, 100%, but my % is high enough to make it worth looking into, IMO. If only you knew someone with corporate legal knowledge who could give you informal "not advice"...


but she couldn’t tell you what day it is and Mrs Mottie and her sister have a POA for her.

So they set up the company, and use POA to run it and to transfer the savings?

Also, I'm not asking, as it's so none of my business (don't want to know anyway), but without being too morbid, if such an arrangement was beneficial, I guess you'd have to think about how long it would be in place, and whether you'd recoup the costs of setting it up.
 
Mrs Motties mum pays @ £75k a year for her care yet is still taxed very heavily

Ask yourself - what's her tax band, higher I assume to be paying out 75k a year?
Stop paying tax on savings.
Most you'll be getting is , for the sake of argument, 4.75%. Less 40% = 2.85 after tax and the £500 allowance.
or 4.75% less basic rate 20% =3.8% after tax and the 1k allowance.

First, use Isas. Only 20k a year but it mounts up. If Dad is still around he's inherit the Isa money still inside the ISA, though you wouldn't.
Don't forget Dividends from pensions are tax free, so look at rates. Google "best dividend rates".
E.g. HSBC shares have paid about 4.8% in divis, while the capital has grown 65%. Past performance yada yada.
That 65% overwhelms anything else of course.

Then. use this Govenment Gilt. You can buy it at Freetrade .com in their free tier:

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I have put this elsewhere but I'll write it slowly..
The 1/8th % or 0.125% is the interest, called the "coupon". yep, you pay tax on that.
But the point is the rest of it.
You pay today's price, (dirty just means it takes account of accruing interest) which is 94.321

31st Jan 2028, it will be worth £100 unless UK collapses. Individual Banks/Building societies would have collapsed before that. They have done it before.
so you get (100- 94.321)/94.321 = 6.02% between now and then. Plus the 0.125%.

The Net Yield is the figure you get after tax (taxing that tiny bit, 0.125%, at basic rate 20%.

The POINT of these things is that the main part of the growth, is Capital Gain, and there is no CGT payable on Gilts.

So you would have to get about 3.885 / 0.8 = 4.85% to beat it.
Or 3.885 /0.6 = 6.475% if you're a higher rate tax payer.
You might get that for short periods, small amounts, etc, for the lower tax band..
One caveat,the selling price you'd get between now and 31/01/28 depends a bit on interest rates -it could have a hump or dip from the straight line, plus there's a spread, which could be as much as 1%.

I do have a Chase account which is convenient as a temporary holder, which pays 4.5%, but 4.5 - 40% is only 2.7%.

So on 100k, Chase gets £2700, Gilt gets £3885.

Plus, which will apply to some people, the money you get in from that capital gain is NOT counted as income so you have effectively removed some of your savings income as far as your tax band is concerned. Keeping all/more of the income in the lower band is a commonly used benefit.

Make sense?

Not advice, but what I'd do is learn from the previous 2 years. Watch what's happening to funds with high dividends. They tend to be pretty solid investments.. Vanguard high dividend funds ( from a whole bunch of companies) have returned about 30% in the last 12 months. Some (Distributing or Income variety) spit out the dividend of around 3.5%, others (Accumulating) reinvest it.
Check VHYL, VHYG.
Other whole sectors, have done well for a long time. European banks X7PP for example +85% in 18 months.
You would have to learn a bit - don't just pile in, but a very conservative play should beat the building societies easily, and it's easy to switch to and fro, free. Look at Freetrade (I've not used) or Trading 212.

E & OE!
 
5 yr olds have better debating skills than you...

You're not exactly a glowing advertisement for old age are you ;)
That's why you are here in this thread then, you don't care for the kid, you just treat this as a game that you want to "win"
So yes there are some sick people in this fourm
 
Ask yourself - what's her tax band, higher I assume to be paying out 75k a year?
No, she’s not a higher rate, just basic rate - they pay her care costs from her savings and when that’s gone, she has her house money to fall back on. She gets state pension, carers allowance plus a couple of pensions - one was pretty good as Mrs Motties dad was fairly high up in Fords when he passed away. The tax is taken automatically from one of her private pensions, as is mine.i tend to stay out of it though as she’s not my mum and Mrs Mottie and her sister seem to have it covered so I just let them get on with it. Their brother sometimes suggests things but he hasn’t got anything to do with the POA so doesn’t have much of a say.
 
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Gotta start somewhere unless you have a better solution
For sure, but to put it in your manifesto when you know the Royal Commission will report on recommendations, etc, 6 months before the end of your Parliamentary session, if you're lucky is a blatant 'delaying to do anything tactic.'

Maybe if the other parties had 'kicked the can down the road' years ago, the can would be where the can should be nowdays?
Yeah, maybe, one of the other parties in the last 15 years, say, we'd be well into the Royal Commissions recommendations by now. :rolleyes:
 
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