Single socket to surface

[mjtefc9]

I have a single recessed socket that need to be moved for a dishwasher.. so I’m making it surface blanking it and using a contractor pack to move.

Any idea how I make the single socket surface? Only think I can think of is using a surface pattress and adapting it? As I need knockouts.

 

[ericmark]

Normal way is move socket into cupboard next to dishwasher.

 

[mjtefc9]

I can’t.. hence the question

 

[SUNRAY]

Why a flexible conduit?

Can you not use T&E and clip it to the wall and a blanking plate?

 

[mjtefc9]

Your right, I’ve over engineered it..

 

[ebee]

Normal way is move socket into cupboard next to dishwasher.

I have an aversion to putting sockets (etc) in cupboards.

 

[pete01]

I have an aversion to putting sockets (etc) in cupboards.

How come?

 

[ericmark]

A socket in a cupboard feed from a grid switch, or FCU is often a very good idea, whereas when someone tries to incorporate it into a ring final, it is very different.

 

[pete01]

when someone tries to incorporate it into a ring final, it is very different.

Why?

 

[ericmark]

Why?

As it can so easy result in breaking the ring. I did not say should not do it, I have seen ring finals on collage work benches many times, but with domestic the socket would be replaced with a FCU and then that feeds the socket in the cupboard, so removal will not break the ring final.

MANWEB used to market a very slim 13 amp plug, still have one or two around, the line pin was the fuse holder, but when the insulation was required on the live pins, these were withdrawn from sale.

There have been a few problems with the traditional counter and under counter equipment, including how far from the wall the counter extends, I saw it with my mother in a wheelchair, where she could not reach sockets and switches on the wall, as the counter came out too far, the distance was set by the eye level oven carcass, which had voids for cooling at the back, and the kitchen fitted matched that distance away from the wall.

Even with a mother in a wheelchair, I tend to forget, not everyone is 6 foot tall, and have arms to match like a monkey.

I find it annoying that our under counter cupboards have a void for pipes and cables behind them, so cupboards not very deep compared with the counter.

 

[JohnW2]

As it can so easy result in breaking the ring.

Why?

 

[JohnW2]

I find it annoying that our under counter cupboards have a void for pipes and cables behind them, so cupboards not very deep compared with the counter.

If one were prepared to expend a fair degree of time/effort, I suppose one could bury the cable in the wall, but where are you going to run pipes if not in voids behind the cupboards ?

 

[ebee]

How come?

why do I have an aversion to sockets etc in cupborads?

well firstly some folk reckon than cupboards and wall units say in a kitchen are not part of the building fabric so that makes it a no no - I do not follow them on that idea because unless they are purely temporay I think they are usually intended to be at least semi permanent - no that`s not usually a reason.

Secondly - I think it usually a potential advantage to readilly know quite easily where such things probably are, not just strictly speaking as isolators rather than to be able to identify them pretty quickly if need be say equipment faulty , escape of water, smoking, melting etc etc if needs to be disconnected fairly quickly rather than hunting round to find it and say throw the whole electrics to a home off (which might be in darkness etc) .

Thirdly - probably equally important if not more so sometimes.
Quite often cupboards are full of pots and pans and jugs etc rendering sockets etc not always easy to see and its not recommended to be bashing such stuff into them, its also far from ideal for any flexes etc, ideally I would count these reasons alone as a no no.

Note - if a socket is behind an appliance etc and likely difficult to access, that in itself does not usually cause me great concern but I think it usually appropriate to have some additional means of easy switching off quickly such as a switch or even a SFCU say above worktop or some fairly nearby place.

We all have our Quirks and Foibles, these are just some of mine

PS - yes I do realise that a SFCU buts another fuse in series with a plugtop fuse so it might be one or tother or both that blow at a time but I would prefer that scenario to not having any means of esy switch off - ideally (to me) say a 20A DP switch would seem more suitable but sat least 32A or say 45A could be a better choice on a 32A circuit, I will duck down with a tin hat on for that comment

 

[pete01]

why do I have an aversion to sockets etc in cupborads?

well firstly some folk reckon than cupboards and wall units say in a kitchen are not part of the building fabric so that makes it a no no - I do not follow them on that idea because unless they are purely temporay I think they are usually intended to be at least semi permanent - no that`s not usually a reason.

Secondly - I think it usually a potential advantage to readilly know quite easily where such things probably are, not just strictly speaking as isolators rather than to be able to identify them pretty quickly if need be say equipment faulty , escape of water, smoking, melting etc etc if needs to be disconnected fairly quickly rather than hunting round to find it and say throw the whole electrics to a home off (which might be in darkness etc) .

Thirdly - probably equally important if not more so sometimes.
Quite often cupboards are full of pots and pans and jugs etc rendering sockets etc not always easy to see and its not recommended to be bashing such stuff into them, its also far from ideal for any flexes etc, ideally I would count these reasons alone as a no no.

Note - if a socket is behind an appliance etc and likely difficult to access, that in itself does not usually cause me great concern but I think it usually appropriate to have some additional means of easy switching off quickly such as a switch or even a SFCU say above worktop or some fairly nearby place.

We all have our Quirks and Foibles, these are just some of mine

PS - yes I do realise that a SFCU buts another fuse in series with a plugtop fuse so it might be one or tother or both that blow at a time but I would prefer that scenario to not having any means of esy switch off - ideally (to me) say a 20A DP switch would seem more suitable but sat least 32A or say 45A could be a better choice on a 32A circuit, I will duck down with a tin hat on for that comment

Fair enough, it doesn't bother me at all my dish washer for example has a socket in an adjacent cupboard and I've not touched it for 6 years.

FCUs above work tops it just ruins the nice tiles.

 

[JohnW2]

why do I have an aversion to sockets etc in cupborads? ... well firstly some folk reckon than cupboards and wall units say in a kitchen are not part of the building fabric so that makes it a no no - I do not follow them on that idea because unless they are purely temporay I think they are usually intended to be at least semi permanent - no that`s not usually a reason.

Your other two 'reasons' make some sense but I'm not sure about this one (even if you hadn't sort-of 'dismissed' it) - who/what says that sockets (or any other part of an electrical installation) have to be attached to the fabric of building?