Heat pump installation costs

[danlightbulb]

Heat pumps are ridiculously expensive. They are basically a fridge compressor in reverse in a cabinet with a circuit board.

The grant should cover the cost plus install.

When/if grants go away, no-one is going to want to buy these.

Still not a legal requirement for new builds, which is where the focus should be.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

They will be a legal requirement in most new builds from 2018. I agree, it’s expensive, no-one would buy one without the grant, and the grant costs us all £7,500 which could better be used fighting poverty, installing solar and wind farms, improving the NHS etc. The people who buy these are the rich and the middle classes. 50,000 a year at present, it’s a drop in the ocean.

A chap visited today from Adlår. The cyclinder won’t go in the old cylinder cupboard, it’s too wide, and it needs to be vented to the outside. So it would go in the spare bedroom or the garage. They say it’s best to upgrade the radiators oneself i.e. hire a plumber, it’s cheaper. They aim for a water temperature of 50 C.

 

[Collectors]

At the moment i am not convinced on heat pumps. 1, they will take a long time to recover costs considering the out lay. I think fitting good insulation is an important start. You also mention the hot water. I run my system at 50c on the hot water & it seems to cope with me & 3 lodgers & a 220lt tank. But i have read a few times that i should often run it up to 60c as there is a few bugs that will survive under this temp & one is legionella.
At the moment i spend around £7.50 per month on off peak electric to heat my 220lt tank & its never gone cold.

 

[dilalio]

I found some useful information on the Heat Geek website

Why don't you check out the heat geek website? There's tonnes of info and videos on there,

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

Because I did look at the website and I couldn’t see anything beyond marketing and superficial descriptions.

I found the useful stuff using a Google, not directly from the Heat Geek website:

https://www.heatgeek.com/articles/does-my-pipework-need-upgrading-for-a-heat-pump-with-cheat-sheet?utm_source=google&utm_medium=pmax&utm_campaign=HG_PMax&utm_content=testimonials&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22688582862&gbraid=0AAAAA_dQVZt28bCKccN4U_kYE99z45JRf&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv4XUBhDBARIsAE6bQUSkgyZ0UEwoQpkb4nsgVTCwWkg2y6CrgmFIoH0LF5TFoJroPGHZ6l8aAs-YEALw_wcB

I don’t have a clue how to find that from their landing page!

 

[dilalio]

Because I did look at the website and I couldn’t see anything beyond marketing and superficial descriptions.

I found the useful stuff using a Google, not directly from the Heat Geek website:

https://www.heatgeek.com/articles/does-my-pipework-need-upgrading-for-a-heat-pump-with-cheat-sheet?utm_source=google&utm_medium=pmax&utm_campaign=HG_PMax&utm_content=testimonials&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22688582862&gbraid=0AAAAA_dQVZt28bCKccN4U_kYE99z45JRf&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv4XUBhDBARIsAE6bQUSkgyZ0UEwoQpkb4nsgVTCwWkg2y6CrgmFIoH0LF5TFoJroPGHZ6l8aAs-YEALw_wcB

I don’t have a clue how to find that from their landing page!

But you went and looked again didn't you? x

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

But you went and looked again didn't you? x

No I didn’t. I followed your original advice, and found nothing useful on Heat Geek. I later used Google to search for useful information and it found a hidden page on Heat Geek. Capeesh?

 

[dilalio]

No I didn’t. I followed your original advice, and found nothing useful on Heat Geek. I later used Google to search for useful information and it found a hidden page on Heat Geek. Capeesh?

My original advice was "check out" not "look at" but if you don't want to acknowledge my goodwill effort then no problem.

You might also want to "check out" Heat Geek on YouTube, if you haven't already.
And also Urban Plumber - and for a really good informative study... Search for Heat Geek vs Skillbuilder on youtube.

No thanks necessary x

 

[Razor900]

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

But you went and looked again didn't you? x

My original advice was "check out" not "look at" but if you don't want to acknowledge my goodwill effort then no problem.

I do apologise, I stupidly looked at the Heat Geek website, and instead I should have checked it out. I can but be grateful for the huge number of times you have posted in this thread with the deep insight that only a Heat Pump installer can provide.

How can anyone describe the work involved!
Each installation is unique.
With gas boilers it is much easier to put in almost any unit and range rate it down to match the heat loss of the property. (or not, in most cases).
With heat pumps, an accurate heat lost calculation needs to be carried out, then a system designed so that the Mass flow rate will suit the demands and expectations.
Oversizing a heat pump will not return the COP or SCOP that is the sole purpose of installing such a system (above comfort).
Besides all of this, it is not for you to adjuticate the work, and therefore costs, involved.
That is a matter for the tendering businesses and you are in no way forced to accept their estimate/quote.
But if you have several quotes around the same price then you know what the current market commands...

And then comes the caveat emptor of going with a firm who's quote is considerably less than the others.

Quite right, we definitely should not educate ourselves so we know what each quote covers and why. We should just accept that we have received quotes from some wonderful people for some ever so clever stuff. And I definitely should not have discovered that hidden 15 mm plastic pipes support a much lower flow rate than 15 mm copper pipes, and informed the companies.

I’ve heard from several sources that there is currently a lot of demand for heat pump installations, which will increase prices, and of course trades have to cover the cost of training courses and taking time off paid work while training.

Anyway, must dash, there’s some wood warping in my garage and I don’t want to miss the exciting bit. It’s a real nail biter.

 

[dilalio]

I do apologise, I stupidly looked at the Heat Geek website, and instead I should have checked it out. I can but be grateful for the huge number of times you have posted in this thread with the deep insight that only a Heat Pump installer can provide.


Quite right, we definitely should not educate ourselves so we know what each quote covers and why. We should just accept that we have received quotes from some wonderful people for some ever so clever stuff. And I definitely should not have discovered that hidden 15 mm plastic pipes support a much lower flow rate than 15 mm copper pipes, and informed the companies.

I’ve heard from several sources that there is currently a lot of demand for heat pump installations, which will increase prices, and of course trades have to cover the cost of training courses and taking time off paid work while training.

Anyway, must dash, there’s some wood warping in my garage and I don’t want to miss the exciting bit. It’s a real nail biter.

FFS!
Whatever online estimate you got, the final bill would defo have twat tax added to it

Enjoy the wood-warping-watching... Perhaps it will match your mind?

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

FFS!
Whatever online estimate you got, the final bill would defo have **** tax added to it

I would not want to hire you, so I would not pay your eponymous tax. The trades I hire are very helpful and professional, as are most people on this forum, in fact some are incredibly helpful. When a trade tells me that every job is different and avoids any details, I walk.

 

[Razor900]

FFS!
Whatever online estimate you got, the final bill would defo have **** tax added to it

Enjoy the wood-warping-watching... Perhaps it will match your mind?

Don't pick on him. It's not his fault he can't afford you...

 

[dilalio]

Don't pick on him. It's not his fault he can't afford you...

"I want a heat pump because gas is so expensive now!"

I Hear it every fookin day!

 

[dilalio]

I walk.

You keep on walking... Maybe the earth is flat and you'll fall off