We Must Be The Only Country That Puts Up With This!

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Shifty22 said:
You are correct, I am anti-British, the whole concept of todays Britain disgusts me. Britain is a depressing sh*t hole that is only loved by the people raping the system. I have lived here all my life, I am English yet I'm forced to join in with the "we love homosexuals, immgrants, human rights, freedom of speech" ! I don't care what any of you say, if I could show the soldiers of WW2 during the war that they were fighting for the country we live in today, they'd all drop their guns and go home.

Let's get to the point, soldiers are not heroes, they are killing people that they have no valid cause to kill, they were not conscripted, you cannot use the "my family has an army background" excuse, my father is an engineer but that's not my current profession! Also this rubbish about "what if your son or daughter was out there", my son and daughter are not out there, I will bring them up to be smart enough not to join any of the armed forces, only an idiot would want to wear camouflage, be conditioned like a brainwashed muppet and kill people for a living!

Fighting for your country is something you should do when your country is under attack, a nonsense attack like the 7/7 bombing and the fake WMD report does not justify invading countries, stealing their resources and killing innocent people.

Stop watching the news and look up what you're argueing for before buying your "help the heroes" wrist band and spouting on a forum.
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Bizarrely, I completely agree with your first paragraph. It could have been written by me, and I often imagine what servicemen from previous generations who died in conflicts would think about what The UK has become.

Then I realised my we are what we are today. Its's because the country is run and inhabited by an increasing proportion of muppets like you. I'm not going to get into a big cyber argument with you, because it would give you a purpose to your life.

However, on one point of yours , I am completely lost. You seem to imagine that we can exist without a regular army, and that in the event of someone threatening our national interest or even planning to attack us, we can quickly cobble together batallions of conscripts to fight and become 'heroes'. :rolleyes: Also, what about the deterrent effect of having a strong retained regular army?
 
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Shifty22 said:
1 Your lack of a valid response just highlights that you are an empty minded amoeba,
2 you switch on the news and take it all in as gospel.
3 No ability to have your own view or think out of the box,
4 it's all your opinion is the correct opinion and everyone else is wrong and to be honest it's pathetic.
5 The sad thing is that you have spent time constructing a reply
6 that lacks any humour
7 just another attempt to crave attention and a pat on the head from your fellow diy loser friends.
8 this codger dominated forum

I will back up any comment I make
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Now's your chance then. In this quoted reply, you have made several comments. Lets see you back them up with evidence and not opinion.
 
Whitespirit66 said:
Shifty22 said:
You are correct, I am anti-British, the whole concept of todays Britain disgusts me. Britain is a depressing hole that is only loved by the people raping the system. I have lived here all my life, I am English yet I'm forced to join in with the "we love homosexuals, immgrants, human rights, freedom of speech"! I don't care what any of you say, if I could show the soldiers of WW2 during the war that they were fighting for the country we live in today, they'd all drop their guns and go home.

Let's get to the point, soldiers are not heroes, they are killing people that they have no valid cause to kill, they were not conscripted, you cannot use the "my family has an army background" excuse, my father is an engineer but that's not my current profession! Also this rubbish about "what if your son or daughter was out there", my son and daughter are not out there, I will bring them up to be smart enough not to join any of the armed forces, only an idiot would want to wear camouflage, be conditioned like a brainwashed muppet and kill people for a living!

Fighting for your country is something you should do when your country is under attack, a nonsense attack like the 7/7 bombing and the fake WMD report does not justify invading countries, stealing their resources and killing innocent people.

Stop watching the news and look up what you're argueing for before buying your "help the heroes" wrist band and spouting on a forum.
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Bizarrely, I completely agree with your first paragraph. It could have been written by me, and I often imagine what servicemen from previous generations who died in conflicts would think about what The UK has become.

Then I realised my we are what we are today. Its's because the country is run and inhabited by an increasing proportion of muppets like you. I'm not going to get into a big cyber argument with you, because it would give you a purpose to your life.

However, on one point of yours , I am completely lost. You seem to imagine that we can exist without a regular army, and that in the event of someone threatening our national interest or even planning to attack us, we can quickly cobble together batallions of conscripts to fight and become 'heroes'. :rolleyes: Also, what about the deterrent effect of having a strong retained regular army?
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What...we couldn't cobble an army together? Not like in the first world war? Or second?
There was a joke before the first world war, by Bismark that said if the English army landed on mainland europe, that he would have the police arrest it.

The BEF was tiny. Almost half of our force size now...and this is when to win wars you need personel with rifles...

and how is an army a deterrent to suicide bombers?
 
Shifty22 said:
You are correct, I am anti-British, the whole concept of todays Britain disgusts me. Britain is a depressing hole that is only loved by the people raping the system. I have lived here all my life, I am English yet I'm forced to join in with the "we love homosexuals, immgrants, human rights, freedom of speech"! I don't care what any of you say, if I could show the soldiers of WW2 during the war that they were fighting for the country we live in today, they'd all drop their guns and go home.

If youre so anti-british then why stay here? AS for showing the veterans of ww 2, ill think youll find most of them were a lot more tolerant than you obviously are, and stood shoulder to shoulder with all sorts of people from other countries, who had turned up at our shores. Theyd probably be pretty disgusted with what youve just said in their name

Let's get to the point, soldiers are not heroes, they are killing people that they have no valid cause to kill, they were not conscripted, you cannot use the "my family has an army background" excuse, my father is an engineer but that's not my current profession! Also this rubbish about "what if your son or daughter was out there", my son and daughter are not out there, I will bring them up to be smart enough not to join any of the armed forces, only an idiot would want to wear camouflage, be conditioned like a brainwashed muppet and kill people for a living!

No-one in their everyday job is a hero. I served in the army and the police. neither of those made me a hero or anyone else in their everyday role. Sometimes, people go beyond what is expected of them, and someday people go way beyond what is expected of them out of a sense of duty to whatever cause they feel is right and believe in. I think youll find there are a lot of camouflaged idiots of all ranks that have served in all services of the forces who are far from idiots, and a damn site smarter than you could hope to be.

Fighting for your country is something you should do when your country is under attack, a nonsense attack like the 7/7 bombing and the fake WMD report does not justify invading countries, stealing their resources and killing innocent people.

Yes you should fight when your country is under attack (would you as youre so anti-british), but also when you sign the dotted line and your sent there by politician who are voted in by the british public, then you go and you do the job you are asked. What resources have been stolen from afghanistan? A statement like that shows a complete lack of understanding inwhat they are doing

Stop watching the news and look up what you're argueing for before buying your sh*tty "help the heroes" wrist band and spouting sh*te on a forum.
Take a look at selly oak or at headly rehab centre and see the mess some of these guys are in. Thats what the help for heroes is for. WHen i see a 19 year old who has had 2 legs and his arm blown off, but still wants to get the most out of his life then that is the meaning of a hero, dealing with that and the demons that go with it everyday.

As for spouting ****e on a forum, perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror.
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snico said:
If a man who who runs into gun fire, through a minefield to drag out his injured or killed friend isnt a hero, then what is?
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The guy isn't a hero, he is an idiot! So running into gunfire is a smart idea is it? this somewhat ruins your claims that they are all smart then doesn't it? A hero is someone who dives infront of a bus to save a child from being run over and loses his/her life in the process or a civilian passing by a burning house and rescueing the occupants, the thing these people have in common is that they didn't choose this as a career path, nobody asked them to do it, it's a purely unselfish act for the benefit of others.

You say they can't be brainwashed right? so they get told when they can go for a ****, go to sleep and what their whole life will consist of for the near future and even tho it has come to light that the WMD story was fictional they still fight? I have been informed by a former soldier that he would sometimes have to send one of his soldiers into a high risk biological hazard area without breathing apparatus because the whole troop didn't have the gas masks and they'd know if it was safe to proceed if the soldier died or came back?!! So teaching someone to go and kill themselves to save other soldiers isn't brainwashing?

I'm anti invading everyones country for illegal reasons and stealing their resources, aren't you? Do you believe the answer to all international disagreements is to just invade them? Would soldiers who invade our country and shoot civilians just to get hold of resources be heroes? Are you aware that their soldiers are other peoples sons and daughters? so it's alright for their sons and daughters to be wiped out by ours? I very much doubt you will have a valid arguement against this point.

Has it occured to you that we are fighting a "war on terror" yet all the suicide bombers that were alledgedly involved in the 7/7 bombings were home grown? I bet you're one of these cowards that sh*ts the bed everytime you're told that those nasty muslims are out to get us! :eek:

To sum up, I'm all for having an army, navy, RAF etc but I'm also for not celebrating people who are just doing their job! You may join the army for many reasons, I personally think you must be missing a few screws if you believe a career in killing people is brave.

Oh and just to clarify, for me to go and join an anti-military site as opposed to this one would lead me to believe that you think diynot is a pro-military forum? dude, this retirement home of a forum is for diy, you know, painting, tiling, plastering etc? :rolleyes:
 
Shifty22 said:
Oh and just to clarify, for me to go and join an anti-military site as opposed to this one would lead me to believe that you think diynot is a pro-military forum? dude, this retirement home of a forum is for diy, you know, painting, tiling, plastering etc? :rolleyes:
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is that why you only ever post in the general discussion forum then :rolleyes:
 
Would the soldiers in WW2 have dropped their weapons and returned home? So a fascist dictator could overrun the country? I really don't think so.

IQ in the forces... there is just about the complete range of roles, skills and abilities in the armed forces, so any measure of IQ is hardly relevant.

And our armed forces are heroes, not because they're fighting in Afghanistan (in a war a lot of people disagree with), but they're heroes because they choose to train and be prepared to put their lives on the line in any situation that arises in the future, mainly to defend the sorry ar5e5 of the type of people who think it's right to scream abuse at them when they come home
 
so why are you not capable of discussing anything without insulting anyone that disagrees with you?

why am i a tree hugging war monger?
 
Shifty22 said:
Thermo said:
is that why you only ever post in the general discussion forum then :rolleyes:
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Well let's be honest eh Thermo, your forum doesn't exactly get much action in the technical sections does it? The fact that you have a sub forum for a word game kinda highlights how crap your forum is so yes I do generally post in the general section along with you tree hugging war mongering idiots :rolleyes:
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There is a delete account option i beleive.......why dont you go and press it if thats the way you feel
 
imamartian said:
Would the soldiers in WW2 have dropped their weapons and returned home? So a fascist dictator could overrun the country? I really don't think so.

IQ in the forces... there is just about the complete range of roles, skills and abilities in the armed forces, so any measure of IQ is hardly relevant.

And our armed forces are heroes, not because they're fighting in Afghanistan (in a war a lot of people disagree with), but they're heroes because they choose to train and be prepared to put their lives on the line in any situation that arises in the future, mainly to defend the sorry ar5e5 of the type of people who think it's right to scream abuse at them when they come home
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People become Heroes because they did something heroic. Getting shot while doing something dangerous for money is no more heroic than a stunt man dying.

True acts of heroism, for example, a stranger rushing in to a burning building, either though they have NOTHING to gain, is heroic, the CONSTANT use of this word is destroying the true meaning.
 
Shifty22 said:
snico said:
If a man who who runs into gun fire, through a minefield to drag out his injured or killed friend isnt a hero, then what is?
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The guy isn't a hero, he is an idiot! So running into gunfire is a smart idea is it? this somewhat ruins your claims that they are all smart then doesn't it? A hero is someone who dives infront of a bus to save a child from being run over and loses his/her life in the process or a civilian passing by a burning house and rescueing the occupants, the thing these people have in common is that they didn't choose this as a career path, nobody asked them to do it, it's a purely unselfish act for the benefit of others.

You say they can't be brainwashed right? so they get told when they can go for a p**s, go to sleep and what their whole life will consist of for the near future and even tho it has come to light that the WMD story was fictional they still fight? I have been informed by a former soldier that he would sometimes have to send one of his soldiers into a high risk biological hazard area without breathing apparatus because the whole troop didn't have the gas masks and they'd know if it was safe to proceed if the soldier died or came back?!! So teaching someone to go and kill themselves to save other soldiers isn't brainwashing?

I'm anti invading everyones country for illegal reasons and stealing their resources, aren't you? Do you believe the answer to all international disagreements is to just invade them? Would soldiers who invade our country and shoot civilians just to get hold of resources be heroes? Are you aware that their soldiers are other peoples sons and daughters? so it's alright for their sons and daughters to be wiped out by ours? I very much doubt you will have a valid arguement against this point.

Has it occured to you that we are fighting a "war on terror" yet all the suicide bombers that were alledgedly involved in the 7/7 bombings were home grown? I bet you're one of these cowards that sh*ts the bed everytime you're told that those nasty muslims are out to get us! :eek:

To sum up, I'm all for having an army, navy, RAF etc but I'm also for not celebrating people who are just doing their job! You may join the army for many reasons, I personally think you must be missing a few screws if you believe a career in killing people is brave.

Oh and just to clarify, for me to go and join an anti-military site as opposed to this one would lead me to believe that you think diynot is a pro-military forum? dude, this retirement home of a forum is for diy, you know, painting, tiling, plastering etc? :rolleyes:
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So a soldier saving a friends life is now an idiot.........are these heros you mention of, running into burning buildings not idiots themselves? you can twist your tales as much as you like but you're still talking rubbish!

You're missing the point as why they do it, they dont have a say in where they go, its a political matter which i'm not going to get into , the fact is they do it regardless. They are being killed, injured fighting for their country. There are young lads in hospitals all over the country missing arms, legs, brain damaged etc etc.....they dont complain and they try to build there lives the best way they can. They are heros for that reason alone. I am not saying the moment you become a soldier your are a hero, but the majority of these service men and women do heroic acts, rebuilding their lives is a main one.

and to clarify, I have a friend who is a muslim.....is he nasty? by your comment about Muslims he must be!
 
skitzee2k said:
People become Heroes because they did something heroic. Getting shot while doing something dangerous for money is no more heroic than a stunt man dying.

True acts of heroism, for example, a stranger rushing in to a burning building, either though they have NOTHING to gain, is heroic, the CONSTANT use of this word is destroying the true meaning.
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FFS we've already established you don't know what "Heroic" means.

I'm not going through it all again ;)
 
ajstoneservices said:
skitzee2k said:
People become Heroes because they did something heroic. Getting shot while doing something dangerous for money is no more heroic than a stunt man dying.

True acts of heroism, for example, a stranger rushing in to a burning building, either though they have NOTHING to gain, is heroic, the CONSTANT use of this word is destroying the true meaning.
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FFS we've already established you don't know what "Heroic" means.

I'm not going through it all again ;)
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Does seem like groundhog day.
 
All the trigger happy ex war mongers on this forum should reflect on their past and bow their heads in shame after the conclusion of the Saville report.
Shame on you. :evil: :evil:
You brits are never happy unless you are trampling on other peoples lives.
You're hated all over the world and its not too difficult to see why.
 
since you have absolutley no idea what i did in the forces, where do you get off saying that to me? My head is held high
 
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