This cant be right can it?

Ok
So I've brought a house and this electrician was recommended to us by a friend
So far he had another guy working for him cut a hole bang wack in the middle.of the chimney breast then decided to cut it out on the top left corner he has now disappared
He has ran.the cables downstairs just laying on the floor in the void ( what about rodents? Or
I made him run them over the plates
But gone under again to find the front room also on the floor
I also told him I'm rendering the house not dot and dab as I want it to sound like a house not a wendy house and he surface ran the cables so told him none of the the switches was the same hight so pulled him again
I'm having the house rendered he's new this and ran the cables surface so told him they need to be chased in I even offered to do this before he got there then starts telling me done and dab even though I told him
Now I find this Bear in mind I'm paying for a new ring main and he's has crimped the cables it was only 1-1/2 meters at most FFS to run it again


The TV sockets only have one cable sticking out so guessing there not on the ring main also

I spoke to the guy today and he started saying it's fine started to raise hes voice exteext doesnt see a issue then started giving me all this technical bs saying wagon connections to which I have some in the ceiling and the loft space

Question I'm a gas main / plumber and I personally would have made sure the wire was long enough not to crimp it
Is this guy taking the poss or and I over reacting here
Thanks
Lee
P.s I'm not slagging the guy off but he hasn't given me much hope so far .

Gas men and plumbers know little about electrical wiring. Cables are commonly run on the floor void. Rodents can climb. Better not to have any.
There is no reg saying switches have to be the same height.
Crimping is an acceptable way of joining cables, though for 1 1/2 metres is penny pinching. More to the point that earth wire should be sleeved.
By TV sockets do you mean 13 amp sockets for the TV or aerial socket? There is no reason why 13 amp sockets cannot be spurred from the ring with single cables. Aerial sockets must not be wired as a ring and are ideally best left to an aerial installer, not a sparks.

winston1 said:

There is no reg saying switches have to be the same height.

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But what kind of t**t puts them all at different heights?

More to the point that earth wire should be sleeved.

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And then the whole lot should be sheathed.

Hi Winston
Thanks for the reply
I'm guessing it's the same for sparks no naff all about gas or plumbing but that's a different subject I no how to wire a boiler up and that's all I want to to no that's why I employed a electrician so he could do my electrics. there are plenty of stuff we can get away with is not clipping ect but on a profession level I clip and label my pipes are straight there no reg stating they don't have to be straight

My point is is this crap workmanship cause personally I think I'm being had
I paid and was expecting long runs not chop connect cause he cut it too short
I also expect him to carry a tape or level so the switch es and sockets are level
Thanks you for your reply back
So now I no it's ok for the sockets to be spured off
Ty

He sounds no good.

The joint is very rough, and as you point out, unnecessary.

It sounds like you could do a better job.

Send more pictures of the work, so we can get a good idea of bad this work may be.

I'm guessing you don't have a detailed quote, or the cables would have been channeled into the wall, which adds a fair amount of time and effort to the job.

Only an idiot would fit sockets / switches at different heights, unless they were in different rooms where the sockets were differing between rooms.

That crimping is lazy, and not double sheathed.

By TV sockets I guess you mean power sockets where the TV will go (Winston is your classic pedant). If there is more than 1 socket then they should have 2 cables as you can only spur 1 socket from each socket on the ring. It's lazy to spur really, IMO.

However, cabling on the floor is OK, that's how mine is. Just need to ensure rodents cannot get in, which is the best solution anyway!

phatboy said:

By TV sockets I guess you mean power sockets where the TV will go (Winston is your classic pedant).

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No, just asking a relevant question. One must NEVER guess or assume with electrics.

phatboy said:

If there is more than 1 socket then they should have 2 cables as you can only spur 1 socket from each socket on the ring.

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Wrong. True you must nor spur off a spur, but you can have more than one spur off the ring and there is no reg saying you can't have 2 or more spurs from the same point on the ring provided you can get all the cables in.

winston1 said:

Gas men and plumbers no little about electrical wiring.

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know.

Crimping is an acceptable way of joining cables,

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Not if it is 2.5mm² with solid cores.

Plus the squash flat insulated ill-fitting crimps are rubbish.

EFLImpudence said:

know.

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Thanks, corrected.

winston1 said:

Wrong. True you must nor spur off a spur, but you can have more than one spur off the ring and there is no reg saying you can't have 2 or more spurs from the same point on the ring provided you can get all the cables in.

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Although, if the sockets were to feed heavy loads, they would be better connected at different points.
Best practice to do that anyway.
Even better would be to spread sockets evenly across a ring final and have no spurs or wire a radial.

ljrgas said:

So I've brought a house and this electrician was recommended to us by a friend.

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Ignoring some of the detailed points of disagreement here, I think one thing we are all agreed on is that this guy does shoddy work.

Seems your friend did you no favour.

securespark said:

Although, if the sockets were to feed heavy loads, they would be better connected at different points. Best practice to do that anyway. Even better would be to spread sockets evenly across a ring final and have no spurs or wire a radial.

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All true. However, whilst a good few people seem to believe that two spurs originating from the same socket 'is not allowed', the same people would rarely have a problem with two sockets a couple of inches apart - which is electrically essentially the same.

Kind Regards, John

EFLImpudence said:

Not if it is 2.5mm² with solid cores.

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I have that exact situation my house with some of the sockets upstairs, my electricians apprentice cut the cables to short and he had to crimp extra pieces of 2.5mm² solid core wire to reach the sockets. What reg says you can't crimp 2.5mm² solid cores?

It's nothing to do with the regulations unless you are considering:

526.3 (iv) which refers to a joint made by a 'suitable' compression tool for inaccessible joints.


Crimps were not designed for and are not suitable for solid conductors anywhere.