without getting political over this. does anybody on here think it is possible that the grid could cope if this was to happen? it wont be just a simple boiler swap as there will be new circuits, notifications etc.
replacing the nations gas boilers
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IMO it's a pipe dream.
It's going to have to be heat pump technology, and the price of electricity is going to have to come down or people will be freezing in their homes. A very large proportion of the current housing stock, built in the 1930s (solid walls, suspended flooring with outside air flowing in the voids, etc., is going to need extensive work to reduce heat loss for this to be viable. Where is the money coming from?
It's going to have to be heat pump technology, and the price of electricity is going to have to come down or people will be freezing in their homes. A very large proportion of the current housing stock, built in the 1930s (solid walls, suspended flooring with outside air flowing in the voids, etc., is going to need extensive work to reduce heat loss for this to be viable. Where is the money coming from?
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Infrastructure will never cope, not forgetting us all trying to charge our Scalextric cars overnight!
As I understand it, it applies to new builds only, still cloud cuckoo land though.
As I understand it, it applies to new builds only, still cloud cuckoo land though.
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Indeed. As with most such things, it cannot conceivably (practically) be 'retrospective', even if it were viable as a prospective idea (and even that I doubt - at least, within any of our lifetimes!).As I understand it, it applies to new builds only, still cloud cuckoo land though.
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just reread the statement and it says "every home in the UK". I have oil will that have to be replaced? Ironically they want to build a new gas fired power station in Kings Lynn and have just spent £100 million + refurbishing the old one
Not necessarily about this particular thread, but every day, people are doing what other people recently said couldn't be done.
I've not long paid £1100 to get the gas supply installed maybe if I can get a new gas boiler installed the last day possible it will make my flat more attractive to buyers
maybe if I can get a new gas boiler installed the last day possible it will make my flat more attractive to buyers Yep, a bit like IBM once said about the ceiling of the market for computers
However, in relation to what we're talking about here, it's not about technological and sociological advances (which, I agree, we may not predict very well) but about the sheer enormity of the task being talked about. No technological advances could avoid the practical (and economic) issues associated with doing something "to every house in the UK" - unless you're contemplating the work being done by a very large army of robots, the likes of which currently only exist in science fiction!
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Managed to be under a rock thankfully.
Replaced with what fuel?
Replaced with what fuel?
Have to be some serious upgrading of insulation to existing houses to reduce heating requirements even with heat pumps.
Even if not stretching to grants to carry out the work maybe the government should at least make insulation and energy efficiency materials and products tax exempt. But then didn' t they recently bump up VAT on solar panels?....
Even if not stretching to grants to carry out the work maybe the government should at least make insulation and energy efficiency materials and products tax exempt. But then didn' t they recently bump up VAT on solar panels?....
Insulation and heat pumps gets it into 'not impossible' territory. But it's a huge job.
In terms of power from the grid, it'd probably be ok. The heating will be going on most in the early hours of the morning when the load on the grid is low. EVs might be charging around then but probably not much as they'll be done earlier in the night.
The question isn't can it be done, because if you throw enough money at it then of course you can, but how much it'll cost and how to get off gas spending the least money possible.
I'm betting on a government rolling out tougher rules on what you can rent out, a ban on new gas boilers and some sort of green fund again. It probably won't be the next government as the Tories don't lean that way, but they might make some half arsed steps.
In terms of power from the grid, it'd probably be ok. The heating will be going on most in the early hours of the morning when the load on the grid is low. EVs might be charging around then but probably not much as they'll be done earlier in the night.
The question isn't can it be done, because if you throw enough money at it then of course you can, but how much it'll cost and how to get off gas spending the least money possible.
I'm betting on a government rolling out tougher rules on what you can rent out, a ban on new gas boilers and some sort of green fund again. It probably won't be the next government as the Tories don't lean that way, but they might make some half arsed steps.
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It was banned for many high rise flats after Ronan Point so suppose it could be done, but why, does not matter if gas burnt at the power station or the home, it is still burnt, when the last gas fired power station is closed, then we can think of the homes.
I don't know, but would imagine (and hope) that the burning of gas in power stations is probably more efficient, and the measures taken to manage the emissions (again hopefully) almost certainly greater, in power stations.
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If that were the case, gas would work out more expensive to electric, but that is not true, we know there are losses on all transmission lines, we hope gas does not escape from pipe lines.
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