Zion and the Art of Armageddon

The 'Hannibal' policy of shooting hostages rather than letting them be abducted back for Gaza has never been confirmed.

All the documented killings of Israeli hostages by the IDF can be explained more simply by the IDFs greater willingness to accept collateral damage, or policy to treat anyone moving in an operational area as a target.

And still the civilian to combatant death ratio is lower than the Iraq War and the Kosovo war.
 
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The 'Hannibal' policy of shooting hostages rather than letting them be abducted back for Gaza has never been confirmed.

All the documented killings of Israeli hostages by the IDF can be explained more simply by the IDFs greater (than NATO, similar to Russian) willingness to accept collateral damage, or policy to treat anyone moving in an operational area as a target.
You should go back a page or two and read the link regarding 'Lavender'; an Israeli drone strategy that targets civilians alongside members of Hamas.
 
And still the civilian to combatant death ratio is lower than the Iraq War and the Kosovo war.
I don't think it is.

Theres a load of bad statistics floating around the internet that gets the number wounded in historical wars confused with the number killed in Gaza.

But also the IDF do not track combatant casualties. They use the Gazan Health Ministry casualty counts and then assume every male between 14 and 60 or so is a combatant.
 
Israel hasn't released the gun camera footage I believe. But they admit it happened.
Right, ok.

I wonder how many of the hostages are wishing that they had been killed on 7 October rather than having to live with the savages for the last 6 months and the Hell that must entail, especially the females.
 
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Right, ok.

I wonder how many of the hostages are wishing that they had been killed on 7 October rather than having to live with the savages for the last 6 months and the Hell that must entail, especially the females.
I'm not saying it'd be wrong, although it should be something that is discussed and agreed in a democratic nation if it really is policy.

Some of the hostages definitely were badly abused and probably still are. Israel don't see their release as the primary goal in their attack on Gaza though. They're focused on the long term goal of eliminating Gaza and the west bank. That's their plan to get rid of Hamas.
 
Looks like Biden has been playing politics again. Or maybe not but there are plenty of examples where he has. When asked he criticises Benjamin and then states he wants a 6 to 8 week ceasefire without mentioning any conditions. This time to a Latino audience. The conditions usually get mentioned later. Seems there is a press conference today. If the same then the US is totally behind Israel's aims which leaves the question of Rafar. If they disagree with any aspects they wont be major ones. That's how it looks anyway. Different methods on Rafar - what methods?

A lasting solution gets mentioned by various parties at times. In 6 to 8 weeks - are you kidding?

What's happening in practice.Israel has backed off on attacks and increased levels of aid are going in. There was just one where's daddy attack last night in central Gaza. They are getting infrequent. Israel wants no more Palestinians to cross into the north. That after a fashion allows them to continue to attack certain areas. Israel's attitude about any that refuse to move after being asked to is that they are complicit.
 
Filly has little interest in the long term reasons for the 7th. There is a so called authentic history book written on the subject. Written by a Zionist who reckons this didn't cloud his views. Similar to the UK sending in a High Commissioner who also happened to be a Zionist who reckons the same.

Problem comes when other history sources are examined It's not that simple. Pots and kettles. Mix of Arab Israeli feelings and a Palestinian state. The state always figures yet after all of these years there still isn't one. The last signs were occupied in 1967 but were previously controlled by different countries. In terms of a separate state things have just got worse. Irradicating Israel went in PLO days, initially terrorists. HAMAS main difference - continue to use force. That is what caused the split from FATAH. Ineffective in terms of achieving a separate state. Arab oil states causing a fuel crisis didn't achieve much either as settlements just continued to build up. Various UN bodies look at what countries are doing in terms of sticking to international laws. No point blaming them as the laws are what they are. Then comes the security council.

It's all been held in a situation where periodically things will flare up and they have a number of times. Actually there is even need to wonder if Israel is big enough. The 6 day war resulted in a pretty large land grab. Settled by withdrawals for peace that ciuld turn out to be fragile. It is as far as Gaza is concerned. West Bank too.

From the river to the sea versus step over the water and enter the promised land. Some Israeli use the 1st one.
 
Possibly, but can you acknowledge that the destruction of Israel is still very much the stated aim of Iran, and it's Iran who are funding Hamas along with Hezbollah and the Houthis.
Politics has to contemplate reality. HAMAS doesn't need any funding. The others pass but I have my doubts. There are a lot of Muslims. Decisions can be weird eg dear on Bin turned into a freedom fighter as it suited the fact that Russia was involved. Not what you could call an odd event. Bring Russia down on their knees and they cease to be a problem.

Iran now may be a problem. It has serious problems as you have noticed. Politics sometimes decide war etc is a good way of coping with that. The Ayatollah is making warlike comments. Means it - pass. That can pull people there together even if he doesn't. ;) One war got Mrs T another term. Different reasons etc but an example.

Fact is IMHO geopolitics stink.
 
LOL I should have said In some instances politics does have to face reality.
 
That's just a link to Google. You however must have read it somewhere.
Could you post a link showing comparative numbers (6 months in) please?

No, not possible.
Loads of stats by interested parties on the net, mostly unreliable. If you can pick the bones out of the wiki page, that suggests a civilian death rate in the Iraq war of 77% against a civilian death rate of 66% (so far).

 
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