ICE told to get the eff out

MNW67 · Sunday at 12:57 PM

motorbiking said:
I was uninterested.

But having now watched the video and the reconstruction. I can’t see the argument that it was murder or unlawful killing, measured by their (US) standards.

Since you’ve claimed it’s a slum dunk, maybe you can suggest why the officer in front of the vehicle would not reasonably be able to argue that he feared she would run in him over in her attempt to escape.

By the time he took the shots he was to the side of the vehicle and in no danger.

motorbiking · Sunday at 12:58 PM

MNW67 said:
By the time he took the shots he was to the side of the vehicle and in no danger.

I’m not buying that. The shot went through the windscreen. I’ve seen arguments that her wheels were turned away from him. But he may not have seen that. She was heading towards him and ignoring instructions to stop.

I think it’s close and morally wrong to shoot. But these are their rules.

noseall · Sunday at 12:59 PM

motorbiking said:
I’m not buying that. The shot went through the windscreen. I’ve seen arguments that her wheels were turned away from him. But he may not have seen that. She was heading towards him and ignoring instructions to stop.

Exited the windscreen.

noseall · Sunday at 1:02 PM

A woman's car is approached and surrounded by armed masked men, shouting at her, trying to reach into the car, trying to open the car door and then she is shot dead attempting to move away from the attackers.

Murder - end of.

motorbiking · Sunday at 1:06 PM

noseall said:
A woman's car is approached and surrounded by armed masked men, shouting at her, trying to reach into the car, trying to open the car door and then she is shot dead attempting to move away from the attackers.

Murder - end of.

Morally wrong, definitely.

Highway Man · Sunday at 1:06 PM

noseall said:
A woman's car is approached and surrounded by armed masked men, shouting at her, trying to reach into the car, trying to open the car door and then she is shot dead attempting to move away from the attackers.

Murder - end of.

Trolling does not help this thread come to a sensible conclusion

MNW67 · Sunday at 1:10 PM

motorbiking said:
I’m not buying that. The shot went through the windscreen. I’ve seen arguments that her wheels were turned away from him. But he may not have seen that. She was heading towards him and ignoring instructions to stop.

I think it’s close and morally wrong to shoot. But these are their rules.

Here is a photo just before the killer fired the first shot. The killer is arrowed in red. Moments before, the killer had videoed the victim putting on full right hand lock. It is obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse which way the car was going.

Highway Man · Sunday at 1:11 PM

The facts are that she was aggravating the agents, she knew who they were, she drove at them using her car as a weapon, she felt so entitled that she chose to ignore their orders, she felt safe enough to do all of these things even though she had a gun pointing directly at her, her last facial expression seen was her smiling at the agents. No signs of fear only arrogance.

noseall · Sunday at 1:12 PM

Highway Man said:
Trolling does not help this thread come to a sensible conclusion

Being self aware is a trait you have never been able to grasp.

aveatry · Sunday at 1:12 PM

noseall said:
Exited the windscreen.

Have you not Seen ANY of the videos, you are now looking silly

Highway Man · Sunday at 1:13 PM

noseall said:
Being self aware is a trait you have never been able to grasp.

Just being aware is one that you have never been able to grasp.

aveatry · Sunday at 1:14 PM

MNW67 said:
Here is a photo just before the killer fired the first shot. The killer is arrowed in red. Moments before, the killer had videoed the victim putting on full right hand lock. It is obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse which way the car was going.

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Pointless as it shows nothing, its like a photo of an alien in the woods.

noseall · Sunday at 1:16 PM

Highway Man said:
The facts are that she was aggravating the agents

Do you think that ICE agents are told by those that train them, that they are going to be able to mask-up and arm-up and stroll up to folk and ask them to come along peacefully and cheerfully, in busy neighbourhoods across the US?

Or do you think that maybe they are trained that, in the land of free speech, there maybe one or two folk that are going to object to their presence?

noseall · Sunday at 1:17 PM

aveatry said:
Have you not Seen ANY of the videos

Yes.

Highway Man · Sunday at 1:17 PM

noseall said:
Do you think that ICE agents are told by those that train them, that they are going to be able to mask-up and arm-up and stroll up to folk and ask them to come along peacefully and cheerfully, in busy neighbourhoods across the US?

Or do you think that maybe they are trained that, in the land of free speech, there maybe one or two folk that are going to object to their presence?

They are trained to shoot as well.

ICE told to get the eff out

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