ICE told to get the eff out

noseall · 2026-01-16T12:49:29+0000

Highway Man said:
in the middle of the road, not at the side of the road?

It matters not where, particularly.

MNW67 · 2026-01-16T12:49:32+0000

motorbiking said:
If I attempt to murder you are you dead?

How did Renee attempt to obstruct the agents.

MNW67 · 2026-01-16T12:50:32+0000

Highway Man said:
No he isn't.

Yes, he is admitting that.

We are finally making progress!

Painfully slow progress. But progress nonetheless.

blup · 2026-01-16T12:51:04+0000

motorbiking · 2026-01-16T12:55:08+0000

MNW67 said:
How did Renee attempt to obstruct the agents.

It was obviously a joint enterprise endeavour.

What other goal did she have for parking her car across the road?

motorbiking · 2026-01-16T12:57:06+0000

MNW67 said:
Yes, he is admitting that.

We are finally making progress!

Painfully slow progress. But progress nonetheless.

If you are open to the idea that the agent had probable cause to believe they were attempting to interfere and cause obstruction, contrary to federal and state law, we might be.

I’m not convinced you are open to this idea

noseall · 2026-01-16T12:58:49+0000

motorbiking said:
What other goal did she have for parking her car across the road?

Does she need a 'goal' or even a reason?

The answer is no.

motorbiking · 2026-01-16T12:59:17+0000

noseall said:
Does she need a 'goal' or even a reason?

The answer is no.

She does.

noseall · 2026-01-16T12:59:34+0000

motorbiking said:
If you are open to the idea that the agent had probable cause to believe they were attempting to interfere

Jezus give those straws a rest, they are being clutched to death.

noseall · 2026-01-16T13:00:06+0000

motorbiking said:
She does.

Nonsense.

motorbiking · 2026-01-16T13:02:57+0000

noseall said:
Nonsense.

Imagine it was in the U.K. and police were doing a road check, imagine you parked your car sideways across the street and waved people to go around you. Plod come up to you and say any reason you are stopped like this and you say, no.

Do you think they’d tell you to move and if you refused do you think they’d have grounds to do you for obstructing the highway or worse?

Come on, stop being daft.

MNW67 · 2026-01-16T13:03:19+0000

motorbiking said:
If you are open to the idea that the agent had probable cause to believe they were attempting to interfere and cause obstruction

The wife is actually irrelevant. She wasn't in the car.

Let's just clarify where we are.

You have accepted that Renee wasn't actually obstructing the agents.

And you are now saying that they were arresting her because they had probable cause to believe that she was attempting to obstruct them. I am happy to discuss that further.

MNW67 · 2026-01-16T13:07:50+0000

motorbiking said:
What other goal did she have for parking her car across the road?

I have no idea. And it is completely irrelevant. The only issue is whether she was doing to obstruct the agents. And she was obviously wasn't, because she wasn't obstructing anybody. Traffic was flowing freely.

Highway Man · 2026-01-16T13:08:43+0000

MNW67 said:
The wife is actually irrelevant. She wasn't in the car.

Let's just clarify where we are.

You have accepted that Renee wasn't actually obstructing the agents.

And you are now saying that they were arresting her because they had probable cause to believe that she was attempting to obstruct them. I am happy to discuss that further.

Why are you twisting his words, you are not understanding at all.

MNW67 · 2026-01-16T13:09:11+0000

motorbiking said:
Imagine it was in the U.K. and police were doing a road check, imagine you parked your car sideways across the street and waved people to go around you. Plod come up to you and say any reason you are stopped like this and you say, no.

Do you think they’d tell you to move and if you refunded do you think they’d have grounds to do you for obstructing the highway or worse?

Come on, stop being daft.

Laughably irrelevant and pointless analogy.

ICE told to get the eff out

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