ICE told to get the eff out

MNW67 · 2026-01-18T15:20:53+0000

One of the pardoned Jan 6th rioters, who assaulted police with a baseball bat, tried to hold a rally in Minnesota, but was drowned out by counter protestors. Trump seems miffed and is readying the regular army to patrol Minnesota. The governor has already mobilised the National Guard to assist local police. This could all go very badly wrong.

Ivor Windybottom · 2026-01-18T15:22:44+0000

I doubt that many protestors are actually affected by her death.

They're just anti-Trump, she is just an excuse.

motorbiking · 2026-01-18T15:24:40+0000

MNW67 said:
Surely, the right to resist unlawful arrest by a federal agent is the same in every state.

Anyway, the point was whether she had to comply with unlawful orders.

The right to resist an unlawful arrest is different in every state. Didn't you know that?

motorbiking · 2026-01-18T15:27:09+0000

Ivor Windybottom said:
Here's a question... Does anyone think this case is simple or clear-cut?

I don't. It's complex. But she shouldn't have created the situation by driving directly at an armed police officer.

But there's a lot of language by some suggesting it was simple.

No its not clear cut at all.

His actions, even by their standards were on the limit. but there is so much politics going on, its unlikely, this will result in criminal charges or even a successful damages claim.

MNW67 · 2026-01-18T15:32:45+0000

motorbiking said:
No it's actually not. Didn't you know that?

Why would I know an arcane law in Minnesota.

noseall · 2026-01-18T15:39:58+0000

MNW67 said:
Surely, the right to resist unlawful arrest by a federal agent is the same in every state.

“….Resisting arrest by a federal officer is governed by federal law not state law…..”

motorbiking · 2026-01-18T15:42:42+0000

noseall said:
“….Resisting arrest by a federal officer is governed by federal law not state law…..”

home goal there then. She had no right to resist, glad we agree

noseall · 2026-01-18T15:43:46+0000

motorbiking said:
home goal there then. She had no right to resist, glad we agree

Nonsense. What passport checking laws/rules did she break?

Highway Man · 2026-01-18T15:49:40+0000

noseall said:
Nonsense. What passport checking laws/rules did she break?

Interfering and blocking the agents undertaking their investigations

motorbiking · 2026-01-18T15:49:43+0000

noseall said:
Nonsense. What passport checking laws/rules did she break?

She either does or does not have a right to resist an unlawful arrest.

Which is it - according to you?

noseall · 2026-01-18T15:52:10+0000

motorbiking said:
home goal there then. She had no right to resist, glad we agree

motorbiking said:
She either does or does not have a right to resist an unlawful arrest.

Which is it - according to you?

Yes, a federal officer can arrest an innocent U.S. citizen, as mistakes happen, but they lack legal authority to target citizens without cause, particularly immigration agents who should only detain non-citizens, meaning such arrests are often unlawful and result in lawsuits, though agents can arrest citizens for committing federal crimes like aiding illegal immigration or other offenses they witness. While immigration officers (ICE) usually focus on non-citizens, other federal agencies like the FBI can arrest citizens for federal offenses, but all arrests must adhere to Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable seizure,

Glad we cleared that up

motorbiking · 2026-01-18T15:54:58+0000

noseall said:
Yes, a federal officer can arrest an innocent U.S. citizen, as mistakes happen, but they lack legal authority to target citizens without cause, particularly immigration agents who should only detain non-citizens, meaning such arrests are often unlawful and result in lawsuits, though agents can arrest citizens for committing federal crimes like aiding illegal immigration or other offenses they witness. While immigration officers (ICE) usually focus on non-citizens, other federal agencies like the FBI can arrest citizens for federal offenses, but all arrests must adhere to Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable seizure,

Glad we cleared that up

So she had no right to resist only sue after.. thought so.

noseall · 2026-01-18T15:55:15+0000

Highway Man said:
Interfering and blocking the agents undertaking their investigations

Nope . The road was clear. She was sat in her car, and far from illegal aliens

Highway Man · 2026-01-18T15:55:44+0000

noseall said:
Yes, a federal officer can arrest an innocent U.S. citizen, as mistakes happen, but they lack legal authority to target citizens without cause,

Glad we cleared that up

They had cause.

noseall · 2026-01-18T15:56:44+0000

Highway Man said:
They had cause.

Nope

ICE told to get the eff out

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