ICE told to get the eff out

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motorbiking said:
you can read the sources
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ITEP.....

.....is a Washington, D.C.-based, 501(c)(3) non-profit, non-partisan research organization founded in 1980. It provides in-depth, data-driven analysis on federal, state, and local tax policies, focusing on fairness and equity. ITEP is known for its research on how taxes affect different income groups, corporations, and racial groups.

They've been going a while.
 
MNW67 said:
I know. I'm sorry. But I don't know how else to deal with somebody who will say black is white because he is pathologically unable to accept he has ever made a mistake.
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Just a difference of opinion, AI doesn't make you right and MBK wrong, it means that MBK has read different to you and vice versa
 
Highway Man said:
Just a difference of opinion, AI doesn't make you right and MBK wrong, it means that MBK has read different to you and vice versa
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I also understand what withholding tax is. Unfortunately.
Non-citizen does not mean illegal immigrant.
 
MNW67 said:
I know. I'm sorry. But I don't know how else to deal with somebody who will say black is white because he is pathologically unable to accept he has ever made a mistake.
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The bloke is a loon. His other lengthy denial threads have reliably shown this.
 
motorbiking said:
Non-citizen does not mean illegal immigrant.
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Have a look if you can see the word non-citizen anywhere...

  • Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
  • Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
  • More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
  • At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
  • Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
  • In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
  • Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
  • Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities
Read more.

Read and weep boyo.
 
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An undocumented immigrant in the U.S. is a person living in the country without valid, current legal immigration status. This includes individuals who entered without inspection

(y)
 
noseall said:
You know when MBK is drowning in his own irrelevant blarney
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This is the first time I have really felt the full force of it. Usually, I have only been an observer. My discussions with MBK have mainly been about the law, and at least with those there is a possibility for argument, even over clear cut cases. But this is just nuts. Basically, full on denial that illegal immigrants pay lots of income tax either through the US version of PAYG or through a tax return using an ITIN.

Here is Yale University's take. They quote the CBO, which is the equivalent of our Office of Budget Responsibility:


Background​

Unauthorized immigrants pay a material amount in federal taxes. The Budget Lab estimates that in 2023, unauthorized immigrant workers paid $66 billion in federal taxes, with roughly $43 billion in payroll taxes2 and $22 billion in individual income taxes (see chart below; note that this does not include state and local tax payments). This is underpinned by the consistent finding that a majority of unauthorized immigrants likely pay federal taxes. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) noted in a 2007 report that between 50-75% of unauthorized immigrants pay some combination of federal income and/or payroll taxes. Doing so minimizes the legal jeopardy of both the immigrant and their employer. In fact, North and Houstoun (1976) found that while 73% of unauthorized immigrants paid federal income taxes through withholding, only 32% filed a return. Since most Americans’ taxes are over-withheld, leading to a refund when they file, this suggests a strong possibility that many unauthorized immigrants already overpay federal taxes. Similar to this is the lifecycle overpayment of unauthorized immigrants, who often pay Social Security and Medicare taxes but are ineligible for benefits when they retire.
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Unfortunately, the pair of you are ignoring the details and have no knowledge of withholding tax
MNW67 said:
This is the first time I have really felt the full force of it. Usually, I have only been an observer. My discussions with MBK have mainly been about the law, and at least with those there is a possibility for argument, even over clear cut cases. But this is just nuts. Basically, full on denial that illegal immigrants pay lots of income tax either through the US version of PAYG or through a tax return using an ITIN.

Here is Yale University's take:

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1976 :LOL:
 
motorbiking said:
1976 :LOL:
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Did you miss the link to the Congressional Budget Office report from 2007. They are the equivalent of our Office of Budget Responsibility.

This is so tiresome. Just man up and admit you were wrong. Like I do. It is a sign of strength, not weakness.
 
noseall said:
An undocumented immigrant in the U.S. is a person living in the country without valid, current legal immigration status. This includes individuals who entered without inspection

(y)
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how many poor illegal immigrants generate income subject to withholding tax without working?

Do you think they are all stock traders and millionaires?
 
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