ICE told to get the eff out

MNW67 said:

Did you miss the link to the Congressional Budget Office report from 2007. They are the equivalent of our Office of Budget Responsibility.

This is so tiresome. Just man up and admit you were wrong. Like I do. It is a sign of strength, not weakness.

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motorbiking said:

Unfortunately, the pair of you are ignoring the details and have no knowledge of withholding tax

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motorbiking said:

I've asked a question - how does an illegal immigrant with no right to work pay income tax?

Given the fines for employing illegals, do you think employers put it through the books?

plenty of people (like me) pay income tax in the US, we are not illegal immigrants.

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MNW67 said:

Having worked in the USA, many years ago, I have some knowledge of how the system works.

They don't have a fully integrated PAYG system.

Most employers withhold some of your salary each week or month to cover income tax and send it to the IRS. You then file a tax return to tidy up the difference at the end of the tax year.

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motorbiking said:

waffle.

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motorbiking said:

Perhaps you can explain how an illegal immigrant with no right to work, pay taxes...... can live, pay bills and become a useful member of society?

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motorbiking said:

I’ll wait.

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noseall said:

However this...

Job done.

No need.

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motorbiking said:

I've asked a question - how does an illegal immigrant with no right to work pay income tax?

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motorbiking said:

I assume you worked there legally?

therefore had nothing to fear filing a tax return.

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The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) noted in a 2007 report that between 50-75% of unauthorized immigrants pay some combination of federal income and/or payroll taxes.

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motorbiking said:

Nosenout has no right to work.

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MNW67 said:

Just read the Yale University article

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• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities

noseall said:

Not strictly true, but irrelevant.

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MNW67 said:

Yes, I was.

But this is just more deflection.

Just read the Yale University article. There is a link to a report from the Congressional Budget Office. These are the people who provide reports for US Senators:



What you don't understand is that illegal immigrants have historically been treated with a nod and a wink in the USA. Very different to here. They are encouraged to pay taxes. Until very recently, there was complete isolation between IRS and ICE to enable illegal immigrants to have confidence that their tax information would not be used to track them down and deport them.

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motorbiking said:

true and relevant.

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motorbiking said:

true and relevant.

Do you accept that its all changed now?

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