ICE told to get the eff out

noseall said:

millions of illegal migrants work in the US, contribute to the economy, pay income taxes and are useful contributors to society

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motorbiking said:

So...

- employers get massive fines and are more likely to be fined if they on-book illegals
- illegals who file get targeted and are easier to trace
- lobby groups pretend that the billions paid by non-citizen's via income withholding taxes should be added to illegals to argue they make a contribution.

see how the argument

doesn't stack up.

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• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.
• More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.
• At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).
• Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion).
• In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.
• Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance.
• Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities

motorbiking said:

lobby groups pretend that the billions paid by non-citizen's via income withholding taxes should be added to illegals to argue they make a contribution

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MNW67 said:

It's getting a bit mad!

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motorbiking said:

employers get massive fines and are more likely to be fined if they on-book illegals

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motorbiking said:

illegals who file get targeted and are easier to trace

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MNW67 said:

Source?

You have the Congressional Budget Office, Ivy League Universities and prestigious independent think tanks all saying that illegal immigrants pay a huge amount of income tax. But for some reason you think you know better. It's getting a bit mad!

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motorbiking said:

I've already said, pointing at non-citizen withholding tax receipts is nonsense.

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motorbiking said:

and of course as I've already said, pointing at non-citizen withholding tax receipts is nonsense. I suspect there are millions of people around the world who are not illegal immigrants who fall in to that category. Me for example and anyone who wants to retain their green card while no longer living in the US.

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It is a variation on the residual method employed by the Department of Homeland Security (Baker 2021) and of similar methods employed by other researchers (Passel and Cohn 2018; Van Hook et al. 2023; Warren 2024).

The method utilizes demographic, employment, and other social and economic characteristics to make a series of ‘logical edits’ to the entire population of the United States that leaves us with a pool of individuals who are very likely undocumented. The logical edits we employed take place over several iterations, which are listed below.

Round 1: Identify the entire pool of potential non-citizen residents of the United States as a starting point for the analysis. This includes anyone who:

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Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

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motorbiking said:

The numbers included in your sources, include for example the tax I pay,

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MNW67 said:

Please explain. I have read the full document and it doesn't say that at all.

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In total, the tax contribution of undocumented immigrants amounted to 26.1 percent of their incomes in 2022. This figure is close to the 26.4 percent rate facing the median income group of the overall U.S. population.

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motorbiking said:

follow the source of the claim from the ITIP article.



it points here: https://itep.org/who-pays-taxes-in-america-in-2024/
which talks about something entirely different.

This is why you have to scrutinise the results from AI. Its easy to trick AI.

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motorbiking said:

The numbers included in your sources, include for example the tax I pay, despite not being a US citizen, or living or working in the US. I have US generated income which I pay US taxes on. It's called withholding tax.

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MNW67 said:

I have to say that you are probably the slipperiest person I have ever had the misfortune to debate with.

You just lie continuously, and then post masses of irrelevant nonsense to try to deflect from your own misunderstanding. We don't need to read an explanation of the entire US tax system.

Remember, you are the person who spent more than a hundred pages arguing over the meaning of the word 'approved' to try to cover up that you had misunderstood the most basic part of the abortion rules in the UK. I think you have a real mental problem.

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