Trumps attack on Iran - 2026 edition

How will the upcoming attack on Iran go.


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Weren't you the one who brought it up as an area of concern. (poor and minorities)?

I don't get your point.

Trump is trying to pass an act which will make it harder for about twenty million poor and ethnic minority citizens to vote. Using an invented myth about there being widespread voter fraud.
 
I don't get your point.

Trump is trying to pass an act which will make it harder for about twenty million poor and ethnic minority citizens to vote. Using an invented myth about there being widespread voter fraud.

Are we talking about the same bill, the one that requires proof of US citizenship?
 
Are we talking about the same bill, the one that requires proof of US citizenship?

Yes. That is just one of the measures in the Bill.

You already have to effectively prove citizenship when you register to vote. There are stringent multi layered checks in place and database matching takes place across several government systems. Anyone who is at all suspicions is flagged for further investigation. Which is one of the reasons why the number of non-citizens on the electoral roll has been found to be about 0.001%. Is that the sort of figure which worries you.
 
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Yes. That is just one of the measures the Bill.

You already have to effectively prove citizenship when you register to vote. There are stringent multi layered checks in place and database matching takes place across several government systems. Anyone who is at all suspicions is flagged for further investigation. Which is one of the reasons why the number of non-citizens on the electoral roll has been found to be about 0.001%. Is that the sort of figure which worries you.

That figure doesn't worry me at all, but how do you work out that by having to prove you're a US citizen, 20 million people will be disenfranchised.
 
That figure doesn't worry me at all, but how do you work out that by having to prove you're a US citizen, 20 million people will be disenfranchised.

Because studies show that more than twenty million US citizens will have trouble either getting hold of one of the two documents which would be necessary to prove citizenship or getting hold of one of the documents which counts as valid photo ID under Trump's proposed law.

Trump knows exactly what he is doing. There is an almost zero amount of voter fraud in the USA. He just wants to make it harder for poor people and ethnic minorities to vote. If you believe he has any other motivation, then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
Because studies show that more than twenty million citizens will have trouble either getting hold of one of the two documents which would be necessary to either prove citizenship or getting hold of one of the documents which counts as valid ID under Trump's proposed law.

Oh I see, 20 million people have lost their documents. Fair enough.

Let's move on shall we.
 
Oh I see, 20 million people have lost their documents. Fair enough.

Let's move on shall we.

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Because studies show that more than twenty million US citizens will have trouble either getting hold of one of the two documents which would be necessary to prove citizenship or getting hold of one of the documents which counts as valid photo ID under Trump's proposed law.

Trump knows exactly what he is doing. There is an almost zero amount of voter fraud in the USA. He just wants to make it harder for poor people and ethnic minorities to vote. If you believe he has any other motivation, then I have a bridge to sell you.
It's far easier for a Republican to be voted in than a Dem. With aggressive re-districting in Republican states, non-existent voter fraud measures, aggressive partisan ICE patrols/poll watchers and the latest ID nonsense. All because of a non-existent problem and the Orange rapists' claims of a stolen election.
 
It's about deciding what result you want, and how to go about getting it.

You either win over voters, or discourage (or even ban) those you can't.

If you can post up a verifiable and neutral source that shows voter fraud has a material effect on US elections, please do so.

Because for what it is worth, I've only seen sources that dismiss it as negligible.
 
It's about deciding what result you want, and how to go about getting it.

You either win over voters, or discourage (or even ban) those you can't.

If you can post up a verifiable and neutral source that shows voter fraud has a material effect on US elections, please do so.

Because for what it is worth, I've only seen sources that dismiss it as negligible.
After many re-counts, countless investigations, court cases overseen by partisan Trump appointed judges - none (zero, nil, nada. zip, nought) have shown that the election was stolen. In fact re-counts often showed Dem's were short changed.

Trump - beaten by a dribbling, old man. And it boils his pi$$. Not nearly as much as popular, intelligent and well liked President Obama does though. :cool:
 
Trump is trying very hard to suppress the vote. He is threatening to veto any new legislation until Congress passes a law which will disenfranchise millions of poor and minority US citizens.
And will turn the conservative Latina vote against him
 
A good comment in the Washington Post:

Fareed writes as if the Trump administration has an actual "strategy". It doesn't. Trump governs by reactionary instincts and prioritizes short-term power and money grabs. Like all bullies, Trump terrorizes the weak and backs away from strong opponents. That's why his preferred enemies are immigrants, transgender people, Venezuela, Cuba, small European democracies and an already weakened Iran. Don't expect Trump to stand up to China or Russia.
 
Despite decades of discussion about energy transitions, global production and trade remain heavily dependent on oil and gas.
Dependency on oil and gas isn't the problem... the problem is that the most evil people in the world are sitting on a lot of it.

The bigger picture.

Iran was bla bla bla...
You think you have the biggest picture, well I've got a bigger one! Nobody cares about this war, or about its innocent victims ... it's all about hatred of Trump!

But Trump didn't cause this.Trump didn't give away all the factories to China; Trump didn't flood the west with third-world scum and give them all public money. Trump didn't allow the rise of the evil regimes in China and the Middle East who we'd successfully kept down for centuries.
 
You think you have the biggest picture, well I've got a bigger one! Nobody cares about this war, or about its innocent victims ... it's all about hatred of Trump!

But Trump didn't cause this.Trump didn't give away all the factories to China; Trump didn't flood the west with third-world scum and give them all public money. Trump didn't allow the rise of the evil regimes in China and the Middle East who we'd successfully kept down for centuries.

I don't hate Trump per se. But I do despise many of his policies. Mainly for the chaos he sows. Whether he is tearing up the international trade order for no good reason, trying to overturn the election, flip flopping constantly on the Chagos Islands, supporting Putin instead of the Ukraine, trying to take over Greenland, or turning the USA into a right wing autocracy which we can no longer rely on as an ally.
 
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