I broke the main fuse seal

JohnW2 said:

do you weigh all the items you buy from supermarkets/wherever?

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I have to confess that for things not sold by weight (e.g. packs of fruit or veg, or individual items) I will take a few off to the scales to check them. Sometimes the differences in weight can be significant.

If when weighing out something that was sold by weight, to print a price sticker, someone was presented with a choice of, say, £1/kg or £1.30/kg for the same product, I think it unlikely they'd pick £1.30.

I also photograph special offer prices on shelf-edge labels and then check the receipt before leaving the store. Trust me - it really is the case that you don't get the offer price often enough for that to be a good idea, especially when it's £2-3 off a bottle of wine.

pete01 said:

Taking a fuse out under no load is pretty safe in my opinion...

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Unless the whole thing disintegrates in your hand.

morqthana said:

Unless the whole thing disintegrates in your hand.

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Or a helicopter flies through the window and kills you?

I've pulled loads out, if it looks or feels in bad condition don't do it.....simples...

morqthana said:

ESQCR

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Indeed. As I recently wrote, ESQCR probably brings these matters into (potentially 'criminal') law, even if nothing else does ....

JohnW2 said:

I think you'll find that the contracts (which we are all deemed to have seen {by using their electricity}, even though most haven't!) cross-refer to DNO regulations, not to mention ESQCR (which is 'law').

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morqthana said:

25.—(1) No person shall make or alter a connection from a distributor’s network to a consumer’s installation, a street electrical fixture or to another distributor’s network without that distributor’s consent, unless such consent has been unreasonably withheld.

Even if that doesn't catch removing the fuse. replacing it is making a connection.

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Indeed so, provided that the cutout is regarded as part of the "network" (which I suspect it may).

morqthana said:

Unless the whole thing disintegrates in your hand.

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True, but I think the risk of that is minimised if one heeds ...

JohnW2 said:

Quite so - and provided one knows what sort of cutouts 'to go nowhere near' (which may also be true of DNO personnel!), an awful lot safer than doing things with live tails!

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morqthana said:

I have to confess that for things not sold by weight (e.g. packs of fruit or veg, or individual items) I will take a few off to the scales to check them. Sometimes the differences in weight can be significant.

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Fair enough - but if they're not being sold by weight, what are you actually 'checking'? If you're interest in merely in larger, or greater numbers of, items of fruit/veg, that's surely just a matter for your eyes, and your personal preferences, isn't it?

morqthana said:

If when weighing out something that was sold by weight, to print a price sticker, someone was presented with a choice of, say, £1/kg or £1.30/kg for the same product, I think it unlikely they'd pick £1.30.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "presented with a choice of ...".

morqthana said:

I also photograph special offer prices on shelf-edge labels and then check the receipt before leaving the store. Trust me - it really is the case that you don't get the offer price often enough for that to be a good idea, especially when it's £2-3 off a bottle of wine.

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I can believe what you say, but I don't think many of us would go to those lengths to check

JohnW2 said:

Indeed, if there were absolutely no risk to their personnel, then nor would there be any risk to anyone else ('competent') who did it.

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That's why they are supposed to wear all that PPE.

Harry Bloomfield said:

That's why they are supposed to wear all that PPE.

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I've never actually seen anyone wearing any more PPE than gloves (and very often not even that) when pulling a standard cutout fuse.

However, anyone doing it (whether DNO personnel or otherwise) is free to wear as much PPE (and as 'robust' PPE) as they feel appropriate or necessary.

JohnW2 said:

Fair enough - but if they're not being sold by weight, what are you actually 'checking'?

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The weight of a pack/bag/box of whatevers, where the weight varies but the price does not.

JohnW2 said:

If you're interest in merely in larger, or greater numbers of, items of fruit/veg, that's surely just a matter for your eyes, and your personal preferences, isn't it?

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I'm not sure it's a strange personal preference to prefer to get 280g of tomatoes for £X than 250g. Nor am I sure that many people could tell the difference between the two weights by eye, or even by hefting.

I don't obsess over it - if time is tight I don't bother, and I don't lug entire cratefulls over to the scales, but if it's only a few steps from the shelf to the scales, why not pick up 2 or 3 packs of mushrooms and see which is best value?

JohnW2 said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "presented with a choice of ...".

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It's an equivalent example. If a bag of spuds is £1.30 and is nominally 1kg, but you have the reasonable option to pick out a bag which weighs 1.3kg, and you choose not to take it, then you are indeed choosing to pay more for your spuds than you have to.

You're being presented with a choice of bags of potatoes, all at the same price, and being provided with a handy way to easily find which bag (out of a few random samples) has the lowest (and therefore the highest) price per-unit-of-weight.

Were they sold by weight, and you were given a choice of price per-unit-of-weight you wouldn't tap the touch screen to pick the highest price, so why do nothing to avoid picking the lowest weight of a fixed price item?

JohnW2 said:

I can believe what you say, but I don't think many of us would go to those lengths to check

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The shop would not tolerate the converse. If there was a pack of beer on the shelf at £3 and you decided to just take it, and not pay them their £3, they would be, to say the least, aggrieved.

So why let them tell you that a bottle of wine is £9 but charge you £12 for it?