Let me check.
The government Algorithm took the teachers' predictions and massaged them down in a way that disadvantaged state school pupils.
So you are saying that using the teachers' predictions is wrong?
'A' Level grades - how about a sensible discussion....
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Let me check.
The government Algorithm took the teachers' predictions and massaged them down in a way that disadvantaged state school pupils.
So you are saying that using the teachers' predictions is wrong?
I think we can all agree that the original Government "exam results" were robust, good and dependable, and there was certainly no need for a U-turn.
Boris Johnson insists exam results are 'robust' and 'dependable' amid anger over A Level downgrading
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Dramatic exams U-turn with grades now based on teacher assessments - BBC News
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the model was sound in theory but they didn’t manage the anomalies. Each school was allocated the same grades as the previous year and ranked their pupils accordingly to consume the available grades. That’s not a bad model until you take account of a previous high or low performing cohorts. You only need a cluster of losers in the previous year and you disadvantage better performers who happen to be at the bottom of the class.
Yet you chose to stay. Funny old world.
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Schools awarding GCSE and A levels isn't really any different from Universities awarding Degrees. The difference is Schools are incentivised to improve grades and universities allocate grades in a similar way to the algorithm.
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GCSE and A levels are normally awarded on exam performance alone. Any pressure for improvement comes from the government. (Ofsted)
Uni Degrees are based on a mixture (usually 50/50) of exam performance and other assessments. The grades can vary between institutions. Any pressure to improve grades comes from the governing administrators of the universities.
Therefore, some students who do well in exams compared to overall performance may excel in GCSE, and A levels, whereas Uni degrees tries to compensate for this.
Some say another example of bumbling and bungling is doing the nation no good at all.
https://www.ft.com/content/6240770a-567a-46ad-9551-faa738ab4df5
"A U-turn by ministers over secondary school pupils’ results in England may well defuse a public outcry over iniquities in grading but education leaders warned it would create problems in the system for years to come.
After resisting calls for a rethink despite mounting public anger, education secretary Gavin Williamson finally caved in on Monday and apologised for the “distress” he had caused to students and their parents.
In the latest of a series of policy blunders by the government during the coronavirus pandemic, he accepted the process of awarding grades for A-levels and GCSEs partly based on a computing algorithm was seriously flawed.
He announced England would follow the lead of Scotland and move to restore downgraded results to those based on teacher assessments."
Poor Boris has a particular problem with lack of talent. Not just his own. Having deselected, sacked or pushed aside any of his MPs or Ministers with competence and experience, if they would not pretend to be fans of his Brexit gamble, or to obey the Supreme Leader, Cummings, he is now fishing in a very shallow pool.
Competent senior Civil Servants (those who have not resigned or been pushed aside) are also thinly spread and overwhelmed by the competing priorities of the Brexit Omnishambles and the Covid problem. Only one of these was caused by our current government, but both make demands it is unable to meet.
https://www.ft.com/content/6240770a-567a-46ad-9551-faa738ab4df5
"A U-turn by ministers over secondary school pupils’ results in England may well defuse a public outcry over iniquities in grading but education leaders warned it would create problems in the system for years to come.
After resisting calls for a rethink despite mounting public anger, education secretary Gavin Williamson finally caved in on Monday and apologised for the “distress” he had caused to students and their parents.
In the latest of a series of policy blunders by the government during the coronavirus pandemic, he accepted the process of awarding grades for A-levels and GCSEs partly based on a computing algorithm was seriously flawed.
He announced England would follow the lead of Scotland and move to restore downgraded results to those based on teacher assessments."
Poor Boris has a particular problem with lack of talent. Not just his own. Having deselected, sacked or pushed aside any of his MPs or Ministers with competence and experience, if they would not pretend to be fans of his Brexit gamble, or to obey the Supreme Leader, Cummings, he is now fishing in a very shallow pool.
Competent senior Civil Servants (those who have not resigned or been pushed aside) are also thinly spread and overwhelmed by the competing priorities of the Brexit Omnishambles and the Covid problem. Only one of these was caused by our current government, but both make demands it is unable to meet.
Correct. You rarely do.
Foreign-born immigrant Boris Johnson?
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Ohh filly how many times do you defend this Government only to get more egg on your face after another U-turn.
Boris has more U-turns than a boy racer on WKD.
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But the grade you get is based on the cut, for your course. Not a national comparison. the top X% get a 1st, the next set a 2:1 etc. that is why an upper second from x university is not worth as much as lower 2nd from Y University.
Computer science bod just on the BBC: "I saw the problems in the algorithm immediately. It should have been externally evaluated. Sometimes it's wise to ask for help." My paraphrasing. He saw it after the event, and saw its failings immediately.
When the schools closed, I would have sent a directive demanding a proposal on my desk in 2 weeks. I'd have read it with experts, looked at the practicalities, demanded adjustments if appropriate based upon running every scenario known to man, then bank that solution. I would then have given a final date for submissions from Ofqual, the Unis and the Boards.
Then I would take responsibility for it.
Italics from an earlier post of mine....
They shoulda asked me.
When the schools closed, I would have sent a directive demanding a proposal on my desk in 2 weeks. I'd have read it with experts, looked at the practicalities, demanded adjustments if appropriate based upon running every scenario known to man, then bank that solution. I would then have given a final date for submissions from Ofqual, the Unis and the Boards.
Then I would take responsibility for it.
Italics from an earlier post of mine....
They shoulda asked me.
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If there is a 'cut', where does this cut emanate from, if there is no national comparison?
You appear to be suggesting (taking a hypothetical scenario) that if year A's students are a bit 'off the mark'. they could still be awarded similar grades as students in year B, who were abnormally bright?
Naah!
The marks required for uni degrees are pretty consistent in awarding grades. In addition the uni grades are not solely reliant on exams, so a difficult exam, in that year, will have that much less an influence on the grades awarded.