A not so secret meeting...

[ellal]

"An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit"

"A confidential introductory statement for those at the meeting acknowledged that there was now a view among “some at least, that so far the UK has not yet found its way forward outside the EU” with Brexit “acting as a drag on our growth and inhibiting the UK’s potential”

“The main thrust of it was that Britain is losing out, that Brexit it not delivering, our economy is in a weak position”

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They might claim that rejoining is not on the agenda atm , but given the total c*ck up that is brexit (and it will always be so) it's only a matter of time given the natural process of 'voter renewal'

 

[gas112]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

 

[just pumps]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

The sooner the better!

 

[ellal]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

Are you going to tell us how you know this for certain?

And would you tell us why you think that this meeting has taken place if brexit is 'such a great success' as brexiteers keep telling us?

 

[Mottie]

It was so 'secret' that Ellal knew about it!

If you read past the headline you'd see what it was about - trade. Proper trade, not unwanted criminal trade. That’s all we want. We don’t want Gabrielius and Marius being able to pop over and carry out their 'trade' whilst being housed on benefit just because José sold us some oranges and Claude sent us a drop of wine.

Personally I think it was just a meeting so that the Brexers could tell the remainers, once again, to get over it!

 

[blup]

Is that the go hove who announced her maj was a brexer. Cross party soundings happen all the time, it’s inconceivable there will be any real working relationship on brexhit, the party's can’t agree amongst themselves.

Blup

 

[blup]

Don’t forget Bruce and Sheila, the sh*t deal with Oz means they don’t even have to come over here to threaten our - I.e farmers - livelihoods.

Blup

 

[fillyboy]

MSN

Britain’s noisy band of pro-EU obsessives rarely need an excuse to launch yet another attack on Brexit, but in recent months their arguments have become more hysterical than ever. Every bit of bad economic news is turned into a further reason to abandon the UK’s newfound independence and to return to the European fold. For people who give every impression of considering themselves intellectually superior to their fellow voters, they show remarkably little curiosity about the true causes of Britain’s economic woes – or indeed the world beyond our borders.


heir latest piece of “evidence” is the UK supposedly being the only major economy whose GDP is still lower than it was pre-pandemic. This, they argue, is solely due to leaving the EU. As the economist Julian Jessop has convincingly pointed out, they are plain wrong. For example, the Spanish economy – which, like the UK, endured a harder hit in 2020 than other European countries – has similarly failed to recover its lost ground.

Britain has also been particularly badly affected by the energy crisis because the way that energy prices are set makes us especially vulnerable to surging gas costs. The UK data may look worse than that of other countries because our national statisticians measure the output of public services more accurately. Public sector productivity, incidentally, has collapsed in recent years – a domestic failure that even the most fanatical Rejoiner would struggle to blame on Brexit.

Not that any of this will matter to those who want to drag the UK back into Brussels’ orbit. They have convinced themselves that the only policy change that will have any impact on the UK’s economic growth rate is rejoining the single market and customs union. They have no answer when it is pointed out that the UK economy performed appallingly during the period when it was most closely aligned with that of the EU: between the financial crisis and Brexit. Theirs is an ideological conviction that Britain is incapable of governing itself.

So they are not interested in promoting policies that might compensate for any short-term economic cost from leaving the EU, particularly the consequences of Brussels’ ultra-protectionist restrictions on trade. There was nothing inevitable about the barriers that the Eurocrats decided to erect to trade with Britain, their largest export market, for all their pious talk about protecting the “integrity” of the single market. They rejected perfectly sensible proposals for mutual recognition of standards and regulations, in part because they were determined to punish the UK for daring to break away.

Knowing that this was always likely to be Brussels’ attitude, British governments should have spent the past seven years pursuing massively pro-growth changes to domestic policy – across tax, regulation, welfare, and even monetary policy – in order to radically improve the country’s competitiveness. Instead, they have gone in the opposite direction, most recently with the ludicrous decision to increase the rate of corporation tax, which is vanishingly unlikely to raise the sums of money the Treasury believes while driving business and investment overseas.

If the Conservative Party loses the next general election, as everyone – including the Government – seems resigned to, not only will they be replaced by a party even more prone to imposing damaging new taxes on innovation, work and enterprise, but one whose commitment to staying outside the EU is highly dubious. The Brexit dream is being squandered, and time is running out to save it from being extinguished forever.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Just a sidestep view.

Did it manage to show the benefits ?

 

[blup]

There’s no need for pro EU obsessives to launch an attack, the failures of brexhit speak for themselves. A sensible single market trade deal is needed. There’s just as many asylum seekers and law breakers as before brexhit so signing up to human rights won’t make a hot of difference. The country is plagued by strikes so signing up to workers rights won’t make a difference. Someone in here called brexhit the gift that keeps on giving. Turns out the gift was a bark stripping white elephant.

Blup

 

[fillyboy]

Just a sidestep view.

Aren't they all.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Aren't they all.

a meaningless page of writing, with no point made then

 

[Ihavenojob]

A sensible

You do know they're talking about the eu ? (Waits for a volley of abuse from the verbally incontinent)

 

[ajohn]

LOL More MSN rubbish from filly.
Problems are due to a number of factors one of which is Brexit. One aspect of that is EU ----> UK and UK ----> EU trade. Reports suggest some can't be bothered now. Sad but costs appear to have increased anyway.
One noise from the ERG end is that it would be wonderful if covid hadn't happened. Then Ukraine pops up. Oh dear China is messed up - western assets related. Same issue Russia as well. Billions involved.

The BofE unusually commented on politics, Brexit. They have always said it would damage the economy over time but it's happened a lot quicker than expected.

The UK since 1970. Take a look at this and click max years. The flood gate started to open in 1980 and has just got worse since

United Kingdom Goods Trade Balance - January 2023 Data - 1970-2022 Historical

The goods deficit in the UK widened to GBP 19.3 billion in December 2022 from a downwardly revised GBP 14.7 billion in the prior month and worse than market forecasts of a GBP 16.4 billion shortfall. This was the widest trade gap since last June, as imports rose 2.9% to GBP 55.7 billion while...

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So much for various policies. Trump and Biden appear to be trying to reverse the effects. Fankly taking the UK we are so deep into them I don't think any party could get us out. Not a recent problem either. Corbyn had the idea of gov borrowing for long term investment. Went down well didn't it. Long term meaning longer than the city will put up with. Covid would probably have put paid to that.

 

[blup]

The EU seems pretty rational, and our side hoist by their own petard hence the billhooks NI “deal”. There is still a chance for rishy to push through a sensible deal on that but sadly labour wouldn't vote with him on it, focussed as they are on maximising their majority at the next election

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