A not so secret meeting...

[ajohn]

The EU seems pretty rational, and our side hoist by their own petard hence the billhooks NI “deal”. There is still a chance for rishy to push through a sensible deal on that but sadly labour wouldn't vote with him on it, focussed as they are on maximising their majority at the next election

Blup

All Labour have said on it is that they hope to reduce restriction on some goods but also trying to renegotiate it, Who ever is in are likely to try and ease what they can.

Rejoin or similar - I can't see any party pushing for that but the Liberals may be thinking that way but are there practical problems - an obvuous one is money and contributions. On the other hand if we fall far enough maybe we would get more back than we put in to bolster the place up.

Fact is all empires fall eventually and the west has had a good run. A lot of it seems to be faltering one way or another and the main action is elsewhere. That needs to sell stuff somewhere though so long term who knows how it will work out.

 

[JohnD]

The Brexit dream is being squandered, and time is running out to save it from being extinguished forever.

Thanks for those encouraging words.

It's nice to see a Brextremist overwhelmed by reality.

 

[Justin Passing]

MSN

www.msn.com

Britain’s noisy band of pro-EU obsessives rarely need an excuse to launch yet another attack on Brexit, but in recent months their arguments have become more hysterical than ever. Every bit of bad economic news is turned into a further reason to abandon the UK’s newfound independence and to return to the European fold. For people who give every impression of considering themselves intellectually superior to their fellow voters, they show remarkably little curiosity about the true causes of Britain’s economic woes – or indeed the world beyond our borders.


heir latest piece of “evidence” is the UK supposedly being the only major economy whose GDP is still lower than it was pre-pandemic. This, they argue, is solely due to leaving the EU. As the economist Julian Jessop has convincingly pointed out, they are plain wrong. For example, the Spanish economy – which, like the UK, endured a harder hit in 2020 than other European countries – has similarly failed to recover its lost ground.

Britain has also been particularly badly affected by the energy crisis because the way that energy prices are set makes us especially vulnerable to surging gas costs. The UK data may look worse than that of other countries because our national statisticians measure the output of public services more accurately. Public sector productivity, incidentally, has collapsed in recent years – a domestic failure that even the most fanatical Rejoiner would struggle to blame on Brexit.

Not that any of this will matter to those who want to drag the UK back into Brussels’ orbit. They have convinced themselves that the only policy change that will have any impact on the UK’s economic growth rate is rejoining the single market and customs union. They have no answer when it is pointed out that the UK economy performed appallingly during the period when it was most closely aligned with that of the EU: between the financial crisis and Brexit. Theirs is an ideological conviction that Britain is incapable of governing itself.

So they are not interested in promoting policies that might compensate for any short-term economic cost from leaving the EU, particularly the consequences of Brussels’ ultra-protectionist restrictions on trade. There was nothing inevitable about the barriers that the Eurocrats decided to erect to trade with Britain, their largest export market, for all their pious talk about protecting the “integrity” of the single market. They rejected perfectly sensible proposals for mutual recognition of standards and regulations, in part because they were determined to punish the UK for daring to break away.

Knowing that this was always likely to be Brussels’ attitude, British governments should have spent the past seven years pursuing massively pro-growth changes to domestic policy – across tax, regulation, welfare, and even monetary policy – in order to radically improve the country’s competitiveness. Instead, they have gone in the opposite direction, most recently with the ludicrous decision to increase the rate of corporation tax, which is vanishingly unlikely to raise the sums of money the Treasury believes while driving business and investment overseas.

If the Conservative Party loses the next general election, as everyone – including the Government – seems resigned to, not only will they be replaced by a party even more prone to imposing damaging new taxes on innovation, work and enterprise, but one whose commitment to staying outside the EU is highly dubious. The Brexit dream is being squandered, and time is running out to save it from being extinguished forever.

If the caption were "pitiful-uk-growth-cannot-ALL-be-blamed-on-brexit"
- then, yeah, fair enough? Too many years doing bugger all except rearranging deckchairs.

 

[blup]

All Labour have said on it is that they hope to reduce restriction on some goods but also trying to renegotiate it, Who ever is in are likely to try and ease what they can.

Rejoin or similar - I can't see any party pushing for that but the Liberals may be thinking that way but are there practical problems - an obvuous one is money and contributions. On the other hand if we fall far enough maybe we would get more back than we put in to bolster the place up.

Fact is all empires fall eventually and the west has had a good run. A lot of it seems to be faltering one way or another and the main action is elsewhere. That needs to sell stuff somewhere though so long term who knows how it will work out.

The American empire is falling, and dragging down Europe with it, more reason than ever for UK to remain in a strong independent Europe. It was borrises hero Churchill who called for a United States of Europe after ww2

Blup

 

[JohnD]

Who ever is in are likely to try and ease what they can.

It will be difficult for any Tory government to do that while they are still held to ransom by their bitter Brexer membership.

Poor Sunak's most obstructive opposition is his own party.

Some of them even support Truss and Johnson.

 

[Notch7]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

At what stage will you realise Brexit was a con

 

[Notch7]

MSN

www.msn.com

Britain’s noisy band of pro-EU obsessives rarely need an excuse to launch yet another attack on Brexit, but in recent months their arguments have become more hysterical than ever. Every bit of bad economic news is turned into a further reason to abandon the UK’s newfound independence and to return to the European fold. For people who give every impression of considering themselves intellectually superior to their fellow voters, they show remarkably little curiosity about the true causes of Britain’s economic woes – or indeed the world beyond our borders.


heir latest piece of “evidence” is the UK supposedly being the only major economy whose GDP is still lower than it was pre-pandemic. This, they argue, is solely due to leaving the EU. As the economist Julian Jessop has convincingly pointed out, they are plain wrong. For example, the Spanish economy – which, like the UK, endured a harder hit in 2020 than other European countries – has similarly failed to recover its lost ground.

Britain has also been particularly badly affected by the energy crisis because the way that energy prices are set makes us especially vulnerable to surging gas costs. The UK data may look worse than that of other countries because our national statisticians measure the output of public services more accurately. Public sector productivity, incidentally, has collapsed in recent years – a domestic failure that even the most fanatical Rejoiner would struggle to blame on Brexit.

Not that any of this will matter to those who want to drag the UK back into Brussels’ orbit. They have convinced themselves that the only policy change that will have any impact on the UK’s economic growth rate is rejoining the single market and customs union. They have no answer when it is pointed out that the UK economy performed appallingly during the period when it was most closely aligned with that of the EU: between the financial crisis and Brexit. Theirs is an ideological conviction that Britain is incapable of governing itself.

So they are not interested in promoting policies that might compensate for any short-term economic cost from leaving the EU, particularly the consequences of Brussels’ ultra-protectionist restrictions on trade. There was nothing inevitable about the barriers that the Eurocrats decided to erect to trade with Britain, their largest export market, for all their pious talk about protecting the “integrity” of the single market. They rejected perfectly sensible proposals for mutual recognition of standards and regulations, in part because they were determined to punish the UK for daring to break away.

Knowing that this was always likely to be Brussels’ attitude, British governments should have spent the past seven years pursuing massively pro-growth changes to domestic policy – across tax, regulation, welfare, and even monetary policy – in order to radically improve the country’s competitiveness. Instead, they have gone in the opposite direction, most recently with the ludicrous decision to increase the rate of corporation tax, which is vanishingly unlikely to raise the sums of money the Treasury believes while driving business and investment overseas.

If the Conservative Party loses the next general election, as everyone – including the Government – seems resigned to, not only will they be replaced by a party even more prone to imposing damaging new taxes on innovation, work and enterprise, but one whose commitment to staying outside the EU is highly dubious. The Brexit dream is being squandered, and time is running out to save it from being extinguished forever.

Filly it’s the Telegraph, that’s literally the Conservative propaganda rag.

it’s basically the Daily Express with longer words.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Filly it’s the Telegraph, that’s literally the Conservative propaganda rag.

it’s basically the Daily Express with longer words.

It still didn't actually say anything positive.

 

[Notch7]

The EU seems pretty rational, and our side hoist by their own petard hence the billhooks NI “deal”. There is still a chance for rishy to push through a sensible deal on that but sadly labour wouldn't vote with him on it, focussed as they are on maximising their majority at the next election

Blup

Sunak has to appease ERG blowhards, he can’t do anything sensible whilst the likes of Dinosaur Bill Cash, John Deadwood , Mark “Bong for Britain” Francois, the Victorian wardrobe et al call the shots.

 

[Notch7]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

The Tory party have been holding a secret meeting to discuss reversing Brexit because it’s an absolute sh1t show

 

[Notch7]

There was nothing inevitable about the barriers that the Eurocrats decided to erect to trade with Britain, their largest export market

Utter bull5hit

We chose to leave the Single Market.
The UK has the same access as any 3rd country to the EU.

It was 100% inevitable.

particularly the consequences of Brussels’ ultra-protectionist restrictions on trade

Blatant LIE

Brussels doesn’t have “ultra protectionist measures”

They rejected perfectly sensible proposals for mutual recognition of standards and regulations

More LIEs

The EU specifically offered to do an agri food deal with the UK, the Tory UKIP-ERG party rejected it.

British governments should have spent the past seven years pursuing massively pro-growth changes to domestic policy

Bull5hit

brexit massively increased trade barriers with our largest trade partner….the opposite of growth.



The article was written by lying Julian Jessop who surprise surprise works for the Institute of Economic Affairs…..a lobby group full of the most disgusting lying C***ts ever to walk this Earth.

 

[noseall]

You do know they're talking about the eu ?

You mean those folks that actually saw the UK prosper, way back when. And now we have a collection of Brexer Tories that despise each other and can't agree on the best way forward for the UK.

Joy.

 

[noseall]

At what stage are remainers going to realise europe do not want us back

They don't want YOU back boyo, is all. Once all the hate filled gammons have pegged it, the UK can move on.

 

[gas112]

They don't want YOU back boyo, is all. Once all the hate filled gammons have pegged it, the UK can move on.

yet again the old guy is on the swally . his mrs etc must have put him back in the chalet to save him embarrassing her and her friends after his two shandies

 

[noseall]

yet again the old guy is on the swally . his mrs etc must have put him back in the chalet to save him embarrassing her and her friends after his two shandies

I was in Austria, the missus is in Italy (skiing). Son (youngest) will be in Poland (skiing) and the other is in Worcester, studying. Always get together at Christmas.