After agreeing to and now reneging on the Irish backstop. Why would anyone negotiate with her now?

[JohnD]

A slight exageration

do please point out which bit you think is incorrect.

 

[transam]

do please point out which bit you think is incorrect.

Incorrect hmmm exaggeration more like

The EU agreed to a get out clause
Article 50 at Marshtrict treaty it was sort of cobbled into the treaty
Probably over beer and sandwiches they put in the 2 year time frame

They the EU had no coherent plan for any country that wanted to trigger article 50 because they were under the illusion that no one would

Well they were wrong . Best they get used to it . They the EU are terrified that other countries may also leave . Well to put it another way the Franco / German cartel / are terrified the rest do not amount to a bag of beans tbh

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So by default, the EU position is to stand firm and allow a no deal to happen

How can they prevent it, if having negotiated a deal which avoids the problem, a deal which the leader of the country signed up to, we then say "no, we don't want that after all"?

Anything which they are "standing firm" over are things which they have been consistently saying for the last 2 years that they would be standing firm over.

thus being equally responsible for a hard border coming into effect.

Not equally.

Not at all.

Remember, it was our decision to leave, not theirs.

I'm not surprised that you say that, though, we all know that whatever happens, the brexanatics and quitlings are always going to blame other people for any negative consequences. They created the problems, but don't want to own them.

Seems like a lack of common sense from both sides.

On our side, the lack of common sense over the fact that you cannot eat your cake and have it, and the sheer complexity of unpicking all the ties that have developed over 45 years.

On theirs the expectation, or even hope, that the maniacs "running" the country would ever agree on anything except that they hate each other as much, if not more, than they hate anything foreign.

 

[JohnD]

The EU27 negotiators spent two years discussing and negotiating, starting on a date of the UK's choosing, and came to an agreement which the UK agreed and the 27 EU nations agreed.

Now the UK can't make up its mind what it wants and wants to pull out of what it previously agreed.

let me see now...

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exaggeration

Where is your "exaggeration?"

"Theresa May embarked on a surprise turnaround and voted against the Irish backstop agreement - something she had fought for and insisted was necessary for a deal"

 

[ban-all-sheds]

my theory is they have been on the piste

Has anyone ever noticed that about fools, ignoramuses, and those who DGAS?

They assume that everybody else is the same as them. Never enters their mind that they are the outliers.

 

[JohnD]

 

[SirGalahad]

Incorrect hmmm exaggeration more like

The EU agreed to a get out clause
Article 50 at Marshtrict treaty it was sort of cobbled into the treaty
Probably over beer and sandwiches they put in the 2 year time frame

They the EU had no coherent plan for any country that wanted to trigger article 50 because they were under the illusion that no one would

Well they were wrong . Best they get used to it . They the EU are terrified that other countries may also leave . Well to put it another way the Franco / German cartel / are terrified the rest do not amount to a bag of beans tbh

Quitters are delusional. What you have done is strengthen the EU.

Hard right Government in Hungary, Austria and Italy have toned down their threats to leave after seeing the UK debacle.

They have decided to take control of the EU in the election in July. So we will be leaving just as we may have been getting reform in the EU.

Brilliant timing.

 

[JohnD]

were these "exaggeration?"

Or nonsense?

Or lies?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The GFA only worked because we were EU members. The only possible solution is a hard border or we let NI loose.

Is losing NI a price worth paying?

87% of NI leave voters in Northern Ireland and 75% of English Conservatives would be willing to see the peace process collapse as long as Brexit is delivered.

Last year was the 20th anniversary of this:

This is the reality of what 87% of NI leave voters in Northern Ireland and 75% of English Conservatives would be willing to see start happening again in order to leave the EU.

I don't know how many "English Conservatives" there are, but crunch the numbers behind that NI figure, and you find that in NI there are over 300,000 people who are willing to see these sorts of scenes return if that is what has to happen when we leave the EU:

They are maniacs - they cannot be reasoned with and they must not be listened to.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

the Franco / German cartel

You need help, you really do.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Quitters are delusional. What you have done is strengthen the EU.

Hard right Government in Hungary, Austria and Italy have toned down their threats to leave after seeing the UK debacle.

They have decided to take control of the EU in the election in July. So we will be leaving just as we may have been getting reform in the EU.

Brilliant timing.

I thought that was because of brexit that things in the EU started to change?

 

[SirGalahad]

I thought that was because of brexit that things in the EU started to change?

Post financial crisis and Austerity cuts many government were quick to push blame off onto others.

As the cuts bit, it exacerbated the unrest felt. UK wasn't alone in blaming the EU, we simply were the first to have a referendum.

If Brexiteers were correct in their assessment the EU will implode then why are the three countries I named 100% backing Barnier and not the UK?

Remember when May went round to meet all the leaders, not one budged, even those sympathetic to our cause.

They will use the mess of Brexit to win big in the coming elections. Such a sad Shane we won't be there.

 

[sodthisforfun]

As the cuts bit, it exacerbated the unrest felt. UK wasn't alone in blaming the EU, we simply were the first to have a referendum.

Exactly. We changed things for the better for others. Aren't we nice? (sacrificial lambs!)

 

[durhamplumber]

And anyway, our plucky patriotic fishermen have already sold off a lot of "our" fishing rights to foreign concerns. Access to those could only be negotiated, or used in negotiations, if we went down the road of nationalising thing owned by foreigners, and I don't think that's the Tory way....

Dry your eyes remoaners, in/,out ref 2 aint appenin!!..oh mummy,,for you shedzy.

 

[JohnD]

"The mandate the prime minister claims to have secured to rewrite the Irish “backstop” is worthless and incredible. Worthless because all the other options for the Irish border have been exhaustively explored, and discarded, during the Article 50 negotiations. Incredible because the hardliners who backed her this week do not want an agreement. Supporting Mrs May now was a diversion. The real strategy is to run down the clock all the way to a no-deal Brexit."



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