All these channel crossers seeking asylum..

[Vinty]

Have you read it.
It's a rhetorical question obviously because you can't have.

"There is nothing in international law to say that refugees must claim asylum in the first country they reach."
https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_4

So more garbage spouted by wannabe right-wing experts.

The article is a permissive article, not a legislative article, that allows a member country to return an asylum seeker to the first country (it means that a country can choose to follow it, but is not obliged to)

Introduction: International Standards The concept of first country of asylum is defined in Article 26 of the APD: A country can be considered to be a first country of asylum for a particular applicant for asylum if:

(a) s/he has been recognised in that country as a refugee and s/he can still avail him/herself of that protection; or
(b) s/he otherwise enjoys sufficient protection in that country, including benefiting from the principle of non-refoulement; provided that s/he will be re-admitted to that country. In applying the concept of first country of asylum to the particular circumstances of an applicant for asylum Member States may take into account Article 27 (1).
​

Application in law and practice Belgium and France have not transposed Article 26 in national legislation.
The other surveyed Member States, i.e. Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Slovenia, Spain and the UK have transposed or reflect the concept of the first country of asylum in their respective national laws.
Belgium, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Greece and Slovenia do not apply in practice the concept of first country of asylum. All other Member States of focus in this research applied it rarely.
https://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain/opendocpdf.pdf?reldoc=y&docid=4bab55da2

"In the United Kingdom, the provisions of Section 33 and Schedule 3 of the 2004 Act give power to the Secretary of State to remove an applicant to a ‘safe country’ (which encompasses a ‘first country of asylum’)"
https://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain/opendocpdf.pdf?reldoc=y&docid=4bab55da2​

As France has not encompassed the "first country of asylum" criteria, any avenue of returning asylum seekers to France is not possible under the UN charter.

Perhaps the right-wing legal eagles would like to read and digest the UN charter before claiming some expertise in international law.

You are not doing yourself any favours by selectively cutting and pasting stuff you don't really understand.
A refugee if indeed these people are actually refugees can claim asylum in any country they wish but that country can lawfully remove them to another safe country.
Under European law if a member state refuses asylum to a refugee that decision applies to all member states.

 

[Doppleganger]

I'm looking for something in the UN charter for refugees that suggests we are allowed to shoot refugees.
Can't find it yet:
This is the nearest I can find, but it doesn't mention shooting refugees.
"ARTICLE 26. FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT Each Contracting State shall accord to refugees lawfully in its territory the right to choose their place of residence and to move freely within its territory, subject to any regulations applicable to aliens generally in the same circumstances."

I'm looking in there because one right-wing legal expert suggested we honour the UN Charter, and other far-right extremists suggested we shoot refugees.

 

[Doppleganger]

You are not doing yourself any favours by selectively cutting and pasting stuff you don't really understand.

You are not doing yourself any favours by selectively quoting stuff you obviously don't understand

A refugee if indeed these people are actually refugees can claim asylum in any country they wish but that country can lawfully remove them to another safe country.

It is a permissive agreement. The countries that have agreed to it, in their own law ought to abide by it. But there is no legal framework to insist that they do. Those countries that have not encompassed that part of the UN Charter into their own domestic law (France being one such country) are not obliged to honour it.

Under European law if a member state refuses asylum to a refugee that decision applies to all member states.

It has absolutely nothing to do with our current discussion, but as I've gone to the bother of proving you utterly wrong and mistaken on the other issue by producing the text and the link to the relevant articles,
Perhaps you could go to the bother of finding, reading, understanding and quoting the text and the articles that you claim to know.
Of course, I am ignoring the idea that some right-wing extremists suggest we should shoot refugees. While you, another right-wing extremist, argues that we should honour the UN or EU charters.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Do you actually realise how utterly boring you are Himmy?

 

[Vinty]

You are not doing yourself any favours by selectively quoting stuff you obviously don't understand


It is a permissive agreement. The countries that have agreed to it, in their own law ought to abide by it. But there is no legal framework to insist that they do. Those countries that have not encompassed that part of the UN Charter into their own domestic law (France being one such country) are not obliged to honour it.


It has absolutely nothing to do with our current discussion, but as I've gone to the bother of proving you utterly wrong and mistaken on the other issue by producing the text and the link to the relevant articles,
Perhaps you could go to the bother of finding, reading, understanding and quoting the text and the articles that you claim to know.
Of course, I am ignoring the idea that some right-wing extremists suggest we should shoot refugees. While you, another right-wing extremist, argues that we should honour the UN or EU charters.

Stop waffling , the first country rule has been upheld in the ECJ, refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive in even in exceptional circumstances.
Member states can suspend the rule temporarily if they wish as Germany did in 2015.
The UK can lawfully refuse asylum on the grounds that the applicant has passed through safe countries before coming here.

 

[JohnD]

There's a new referendum coming up shortly. Possibly a General Election.

What is the topic that will get the most RWRs excited?

What is the topic that the Tory Government and the Right-wing press will be pushing?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Yehh?? and does that include those who want to kill people who celebrate Christmas, or those involved in grooming gangs and rapists etc??
You're always trying to shout down "our own" fellow countrymen and women!!

Is there something wrong with you?

It's blinkered clowns like you that are destroying OUR country.

Rubbish,, it's fools like you that are causing permanent damage to our country!!

Oh yes - it appears there is.

 

[Bodd]

There's a new referendum coming up shortly. Possibly a General Election.

What is the topic that will get the most RWRs excited?

What is the topic that the Tory Government and the Right-wing press will be pushing?

8500 people are struggling to live......
5400 need protecting


John's solution to all this is let more vulnerable people in...

John we can't even look after ourselves, don't you think we need to get our house in order before we open the doors

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Why communicate on here? Just look in your mirror and you’ll be able to talk to each other.

How would that work?

Can you explain any method by which it would?

Or is your suggestion just a product of your febrile imagination?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

There's a new referendum coming up shortly. Possibly a General Election.

When's that then?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

IIt's just a question about which is the original and which is the subsequent edited post.

This must be the edited version, as it is the extant one:

....why aren’t they towed straight back to within 10 metres of the French coast, their boats harpooned and told to swim for it?

I thought asylum seekers were supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they land in. Just shows you what a reputation we must have abroad as an easy touch.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But that doesn't suit your narrative.

What does, apart from ignorance, lies and hatred?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well said ReganandCarter, millions would agree with you, apart from the usual snowflakes. civilised, intelligent, decent, caring, people.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You're always trying to shout down "our own" fellow countrymen and women!!

I do not recognise you as one.

You bring shame and disgrace upon us with your views.

You clearly don't like it here, and the decent people here don't like you, so why not go for the win-win and emigrate?

 

[JohnD]

When's that then?

Theresa has assured us it won't happen, so most likely in a couple of months.

How long before the last General Election did she assure us it wouldn't happen?