Are the border force and the RNLI losing their touch?

[MNW67]

Unless we stop incentivizing the lifestyle of Illegal Migrants and make it known that we do not want them here they will continue to come in the thousands every day and many of the people of our country can no accept the the costs both financially and culturally that this Open Border situation is causing, removing ourselves from the ECHR and producing our own Human Rights Bill that favours the Innocent and Victims rather than prioritising the Criminals and Outsiders and closing our Borders to all Immigration other than Controlled Immigration and returning any Illegal Migrants that manage to arrive here straight back to where ever they have come from. Refugees fleeing persecution are expected to take refuge in the first Safe Country that they arrive in to seek Asylum but they are not obliged to do so. However, Refugees should not be crossing Continents of Safe Countries to a Country they feel they can get the most out of for nothing and as far as the EU is concerned the old Dublin Agreement and now the Asylum and Migration Management Regulations which is meant to Clarify and Simplify the Rules of the Dublin Agreement is supposed to regulate which EU Country becomes responsible for Asylum of Refugees, but they appear to be ignoring Illegal Migrants as being Refugees, but as Britain is no longer a Member of the EU those regulations should not apply to us despite the EU expecting us to abide by those Rules. Also, most true Refugee Asylum Seekers will have some sort of Identification Papers or Passports and they certainly wouldn't dump or destroy those papers before arriving here and they are much more likely to arrive here legally. It is possible to leave most countries legally even when tyranny and war exists in those countries, those that have adopted systems that refuse rights to leave are fully known to all the Governments and Ruling States throughout the World and those people would be considered without proper Identity Papers.

and breathe...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Unless we stop incentivizing the lifestyle of Illegal Migrants and make it known that we do not want them here they will continue to come in the thousands every day and many of the people of our country can no accept the the costs both financially and culturally that this Open Border situation is causing, removing ourselves from the ECHR and producing our own Human Rights Bill that favours the Innocent and Victims rather than prioritising the Criminals and Outsiders and closing our Borders to all Immigration other than Controlled Immigration and returning any Illegal Migrants that manage to arrive here straight back to where ever they have come from. Refugees fleeing persecution are expected to take refuge in the first Safe Country that they arrive in to seek Asylum but they are not obliged to do so. However, Refugees should not be crossing Continents of Safe Countries to a Country they feel they can get the most out of for nothing and as far as the EU is concerned the old Dublin Agreement and now the Asylum and Migration Management Regulations which is meant to Clarify and Simplify the Rules of the Dublin Agreement is supposed to regulate which EU Country becomes responsible for Asylum of Refugees, but they appear to be ignoring Illegal Migrants as being Refugees, but as Britain is no longer a Member of the EU those regulations should not apply to us despite the EU expecting us to abide by those Rules. Also, most true Refugee Asylum Seekers will have some sort of Identification Papers or Passports and they certainly wouldn't dump or destroy those papers before arriving here and they are much more likely to arrive here legally. It is possible to leave most countries legally even when tyranny and war exists in those countries, those that have adopted systems that refuse rights to leave are fully known to all the Governments and Ruling States throughout the World and those people would be considered without proper Identity Papers.

Another great rant.

But you missed the points I made.

That's a lot of word salad.

You do know I don't support people arriving by boat.

But I do recognise how people can apply for asylum, do you? Whether we are strict enough or fast enough, or accurate enough on the assesments and returns is what our Governement(s) are there to sort.

I still maintain that shouting "go back" and "no entry" signs on the beach don't work.

What is wrong with wanting a better system ?

 

[rds60h]

Do share how a boat can be tracked at night by police on the land when it is not visible. Do you think their hand held radar speed guns will help ?

The traffickers do not launch the dinghies at night as it would be far to dangerous to sail in darkness, they set off just before first light and through the day while it will enable sailing in daylight, the normal daily traffic in the Channel would have no chance of seeing the dinghies at night even with radar such small vessels would be the ones expected to change course not huge ferries and tankers.

 

[rds60h]

If they apply for asylum, they become asylum seekers, which is a legal status.

Not until their true Identities and Country of Origin can be proven and as the vast majority of these Illegal Migrants have either dumped or destroyed their Identity Paperwork and Passports because they wish to hide their Identities and previous history they are not given Asylum but they are often/usually granted leave to stay.

 

[motorbiking]

The traffickers do not launch the dinghies at night as it would be far to dangerous to sail in darkness, they set off just before first light and through the day while it will enable sailing in daylight, the normal daily traffic in the Channel would have no chance of seeing the dinghies at night even with radar such small vessels would be the ones expected to change course not huge ferries and tankers.

I predict that if the deportations get off the ground we will see more attempting to actually sneak in rather be escorted in. Yes it would be incredibly dangerous crossing at night.

On the subject of giving way, I was off the coast of Alderney recently and the French coast guard radio'd a tanker and told them to alter course to avoid me. I was actually about to radio him myself and advise I will pass his stern. ie. no need to alter course.

The coastguard actually said to the tanker "sorry for disturbing your watch" implying he was asleep.

There is no rule that says a larger ferry/tanker etc has right of way, unless there is a precautionary zone or traffic separation zone.

 

[rds60h]

Not true.



ECHR is built into the Good Friday Agreement and Scottish and Welsh devolved governments


It’s got fek all to do with EU



I suggest you read the refugee convention.

It was created by the Council of Europe after the Second World War and as such is deeply inadequate in regards to modern migration and basic Human Rights and a country can leave the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) by formally denouncing it and notifying the Council of Europe of its intention to withdraw, following Article 58 of the ECHR, this process requires six months' notice.

 

[rds60h]

It has not

It has, go and have a read of the Hansard Reports which records every thing said in Parliament, and the statement is brought up by the opposition because it was a statement made by a Minister outside of Parliament and that was then agreed to have been stated with Governmental approval.

 

[rds60h]

I predict that if the deportations get off the ground we will see more attempting to actually sneak in rather be escorted in. Yes it would be incredibly dangerous crossing at night.

On the subject of giving way, I was off the coast of Alderney recently and the French coast guard radio'd a tanker and told them to alter course to avoid me. I was actually about to radio him myself and advise I will pass his stern. ie. no need to alter course.

The coastguard actually said to the tanker "sorry for disturbing your watch" implying he was asleep.

There is no rule that says a larger ferry/tanker etc has right of way, unless there is a precautionary zone or traffic separation zone.

There is no rule that says a larger ferry/tanker etc has right of way, unless there is a precautionary zone or traffic separation zone. And the Channel has a number of Traffic Separation Zones and Precautionary Zones.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

If they apply for asylum, they become asylum seekers, which is a legal status.

Not until their true Identities and Country of Origin can be proven

Nonsense. As soon as they ask for asylum, they become asylum seekers.
In the process of verifying their application, they become unsuccessful/failed applicants, or successful applicants/refugees.
Here's the definition:

"Person seeking asylum"​

A person who has left their country of origin and formally applied for asylum in another country but whose application has not yet been concluded.

Wherever possible, we prefer to describe someone as a person seeking asylum as we feel that the term “asylum seeker” is dehumanising.

A lot of your other claims and statements are also lacking truth or logic.
I have no intention of wasting my time in disputing such nonsense.

 

[MNW67]

It has, go and have a read of the Hansard Reports which records every thing said in Parliament, and the statement is brought up by the opposition because it was a statement made by a Minister outside of Parliament and that was then agreed to have been stated with Governmental approval.

I had to Google all that. It is alleged to have happened in this interview. But she doesn't actually say that, however many times the interviewer tries to put words in her mouth:

Minister asked whether the rights of asylum seekers trump the interests of locals

Do ministers agree that the rights of asylum seekers trump that of local people? Trevor Phillips speaks to the Education Secretary.

news.sky.com

 

[rds60h]

but you said: "but the british will pick you up in a few miles"

the people returned would be those picked up



you seem to be confusing yourself


oh so boats cant be tracked at night

Have you ever heard of any of the dinghies being turned back or their occupants being taken back to France ? No because RNLI and Border Force and British Customs boats are picking the occupants of the dinghies (most of which are escorted by French Naval vessels) in French Waters and bringing them to Britain. You are the one who is confused.

 

[motorbiking]

Have you ever heard of any of the dinghies being turned back or their occupants being taken back to France ? No because RNLI and Border Force and British Customs boats are picking the occupants of the dinghies (most of which are escorted by French Naval vessels) in French Waters and bringing them to Britain. You are the one who is confused.

there have been a couple that were in distress, but you can count them on one hand.

 

[denso13]

Have you ever heard of any of the dinghies being turned back or their occupants being taken back to France

No, because it can't be done without the agreement of France. Why would they allow it?

 

[rds60h]

rds60h seems to be a parody account troll. Take everything they write with a massive pinch of salt and just enjoy the nonsense.

Just because you are a Looney Lefty don't try to dismiss factual statements from someone as being a troll. Perhaps if you took your head out of where ever you have stuffed it you may be able to open your eyes long enough to see what is actually happening.

 

[blup]

Had Himmy been cloned or is there an AI version