Broke a gas pipe - now I got the bill

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If you recall, a couple of weeks ago we broke through a yellow gas pipe.

The gas pipe fed a neighbour's house, and its presence was unknown to us, as it travelled a significant distance under my driveway, which is a very odd thing as the neighbour's house has its own driveway. The pipe eventually emerged under a flowerbed and well over ground, and was damaged during removal of flowerbed.

What happened historically is they saved costs by running the neighbour's gas pipe under my land, for 30 meters or so, before veering off and crossing over into his house. Unnecessary, since they should have channelled through his own driveway which runs in parallel.

SGN were called out and eventually installed a completely new gas pipe for my neighbour, under his own driveway, and deactivated the one under my drive. Which is the way it should have been done from day one.

SGN then sent me a bill for £1151.51. Attached to the bill are FAQs stating that the fault is whoever's broke the pipe, even if under tree roots, over the ground, encased in concrete etc. In other words SGN are not to blame at all regardless of the orientation, position or general location of the pipe, even if it were over ground it seems : "never assume depths" says on the FAQ,

My argument is : this is SGN's fault for routing unrelated gas pipes under my land, of which neither they, or I had knowledge of.

Any help to avoid paying this bill would be appreciated. I do have insurance, and am not sure they cover such claims, but this in my opinion is SGN (or their contractors) cutting corners.
 
SGN then sent me a bill for £1151.51. Attached to the bill are FAQs stating that the fault is whoever's broke the pipe, even if under tree roots, over the ground, encased in concrete etc. In other words SGN are not to blame at all regardless of the orientation, position or general location of the pipe, even if it were over ground it seems : "never assume depths" says on the FAQ,

You, or your predecessor at your address, must have given them permission to run the pipe on your property, but that doesn't account for the shallow depth. We have our next door neighbour's supply pipe up our drive. Next door's house, fills their entire width of their plot, with the meter at the rear of the property, original steel supply pipe from the rear. The new yellow pipe, came in from the front, and so would have to by piped on the surface, around the house to the rear - which the neighbour didn't want.

Transco approached me, and asked if I would mid them bringing both supplies, mine and theirs, up my drive. They wouldn't be able to, without my permission.

I would suggest, if Transco fail to adequately bury, and protect their pipe, then the risk of damage, and cost of repairs, is in their court. I would seek legal advice on the matter.
 
I think they need a wayleave, to give them permission, son had it with electric supply, no wayleave so they had to remove the supply to next door, but the reverse is also true, if they have it, then in theory you should have known the pipe was there.
 
Maybe talk to Maureen? SGN clearly state in a document that the supply pipe is theirs, so if it's not been laid to correct depth and you didn't know about it then imo it ain't your fault.
 
Would it have been SGN 30 years ago? Not sure when Transco came into existence and other gas transporters got on the scene.
 
If you have legal cover with your home insurance, these are exactly the cases they cover (or are supposed to cover: sometimes you have to push them a bit).
Personally I would tell them to take me to court and throw the book at them regarding depth of pipes and everything else you said.
 
tell them you never gave permission for the pipe to go through your land and contact the ombudsman for advice .
I worked for BG and National grid (cadent) and we would write these off for lack of depth and in wrong location .
Sounds like they are just trying it on

.and at £1151 it sounds like they are charging you for the relocation and not just a repair to service which would have taken less than an hour with two fusion weld sockets and a bit of pipe .
When all the companies took over fro BG then Transco they accepted responsibly for the infrastructure
 
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you never gave permission for the pipe to go through your land and contact the ombudsman for advice .
I presume this was done in the 80s when the two houses (mine and neighbours) were originally built. Someone at that time must have given them permission.

contact the ombudsman for advice
I will email them yes.
 
I presume this was done in the 80s when the two houses (mine and neighbours) were originally built. Someone at that time must have given them permission.


I will email them yes.
back in the day the guys would just have moled them without asking anyones permission if it made it easier

Also point out it was a joint service (teed into yours) which should not have been done either as it is not allowed
 
This forum is a great place to be for advice when the poster does not act the madam. Gas has posted a reply that you can hang your coat on and move on because he has the knowledge and experience. Other posters, too many to name, give their time for free to assist folk with genuine queries.
 
I think they need a wayleave, to give them permission, son had it with electric supply, no wayleave so they had to remove the supply to next door, but the reverse is also true, if they have it, then in theory you should have known the pipe was there.

If you ask for a copy of the wayleave, it would show who signed it and when.

However in very, very many cases, they will be unable to find it.
 
If you ask for a copy of the wayleave, it would show who signed it and when.

However in very, very many cases, they will be unable to find it.
they will not be able to find that , the company has changed several times since the 80s those records wont be there now
 

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