Buffer cylinder for unvented

[dilalio]

Oh Yes, pass the buck. "" The person died but that is acceptable as the instructions were followed without question ""

Oh c'mon Bernard FFS . You, and everyone else reading this knows what I'm getting at.

Putting your name and signature to a document that is legally binding, requires a lot of consideration. If one believes strongly that there are errors within the associated documentation... You do not commission the installation or sign the document until you have consulted the manufacturer and get their (or other appropriate bodies) involvement.

 

[bernardgreen]

I do know what you are getting at........

For what it is worth my opinion is that thinking out of the box does not automatically mean a system will be designed that is dangerous even if manufacturer's instructions are not followed.

This is NOT meant to suggest that anyone can ignore manufacturer's instructions. To do so and still have a safe system requires a lot of knowledge.

I can recall the negative reaction from professional engineers to the idea of having pressurised tanks of hot water in domestic premises simply to save space. Hence the addition of safety devices which the original manufacturer's instructions did not require. These safety devices were often added by installers whose knowledge was better than the manufacturer's.

It was probably after an incident / accident where no safety devices had been fitted that it was decided that the safety devices should by regulation, be part of the cylinder as delovered to site and not left to chance that the installer was one who knew that safety device were necessary.

 

[hard-work]

Those with thinking engineering brains can get around problems, others follow instructions or do "what we have always done".

 

[flameport]

Creating problems that did not exist, and then finding convoluted and complex 'solutions' to those problems is not engineering.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Those with thinking engineering brains can get around problems, others follow instructions or do "what we have always done".

Muppet, it's about liability and warranty. What you dream up by while sitting on your sofa waiting for a for payment is different to what those of us at the coal face are willing to do for paying customers.

No good having your crap idea on a new cylinder, then if a fault occurs, the manufacturer's engineer takes one look and laughs his way out of the door.

Problem resulting in an insurance claim (damaged ceiling following a tprv leak where the tundish spilled over)? Insurance assessor will take one look at your stupid idea and walk with a grin on his face knowing full well that he's saved his company money due to someone else's muppetry.

 

[hard-work]

Should we take this Dan Robinson guy seriously? Look at this he put on Youtube. Hilarious. The title is:
Intergas System boiler filling an unvented cylinder from cold
No explanation of what it is all about, just him taking a vid of the condensate trap filling. No kidding.
Where is the unvented cylinder?
What is happening?
What is he trying to tell us?
This clearly and overtly displays the confusion in this man's mind:

 

[bernardgreen]

taking a vid of the condensate trap filling.

Surprised the trap was that empty to begin with.

Insurance assessor will take one look at your stupid idea

Some assesors will give the benefit of the doubt when dealing with non standard situations. Quite a few assessor no longer trust "qualified professionals" to carry out work to the required standards.

 

[bernardgreen]

Creating problems that did not exist, and then finding convoluted and complex 'solutions' to those problems is not engineering.

I agree, replacing gravity fed systems with pressurised systems creates a few problems that did not exist.

 

[Dan Robinson]

What is he trying to tell us?

Nothing. Does it say anywhere in the video, or the description that there is anything to consider other than it is available system boiler filling a trap?

This clearly and overtly displays the confusion in this man's mind:

Confusion in what?

What is happening?

It's filling up numbnuts.

Where is the unvented cylinder?

Next to the boiler. You can see it in the video you idiot.

taking a vid of the condensate trap filling.

Yep.

Surprised the trap was that empty to begin with.

Empty is empty. It was on commissioning the system.

 

[Dan Robinson]

I agree, replacing gravity fed systems with pressurised systems creates a few problems that did not exist.

It's all relative. Especially considering the average temperature of a loft in this weather.

Have a customer replacing his ceiling next week because a ball valve failed in the loft advice his son's bed. Good job all that larthe and plaster didn't come down on the 3 year old

 

[hard-work]

It's all relative. Especially considering the average temperature of a loft in this weather.

Have a customer replacing his crippli next week because a ball valve failed in the loft advice his son's bed. Good job all that larthe and plaster didn't come down on the 3 year old

The overflow was too small or a wondervalve with a flow regulator cartridge was not fitted on the cold mains. The input of water must not exceed the overflow pipes capability.

 

[bernardgreen]

Empty is empty. It was on commissioning the system

Manufacturer's Installation Instructions for the HRE series " Fill the condensate trap with water" ( Paragraph 9.1.1 Instruction 8 ).

It does sound like the boiler is firing before the trap was filled with water.

 

[hard-work]

Nothing. Does it say anywhere in the video,

Exactly, nothing. You make me larf! A video about sweet FA. Dannyboy is a full conference case.

 

[hard-work]

Manufacturer's Installation Instructions for the HRE series " Fill the condensate trap with water" ( Paragraph 9.1.1 Instruction 8 ).

It does sound like the boiler is firing before the trap was filled with water.

Bernard, please! The youtube vid is about an unvented cylinder, it says so:
"Intergas System boiler filling an unvented cylinder from cold"

So that filling must an unvented cylinder, it says so.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Manufacturer's Installation Instructions for the HRE series " Fill the condensate trap with water" ( Paragraph 9.1.1 Instruction 8 ).

It does sound like the boiler is firing before the trap was filled with water.

It was. Sue me.