Childcare

[Blasphemous]

You still haven't answered my question sir!

Is this childcare as in before/after school?

 

[expertgasman]

My heart bleeds. I know a LOT of teachers, and they do OK. They DON'T spend all summer "preparing", and even at the revised rates, you will always beat the self employed when it comes to a pension. We are not allowed to stop at home for weeks with "stress", although never being quite sure of when the next bean is coming from is stressfull, and even when we spend hours or days working, we can't be SURE of being paid.

We, as parents, are expected to contribute some our free time, and my wife use to spend 4 x 1/2 days as a voluntary classroom assistant. You will be affronted as she was "free" labour, but our teachers loved the help.

Would you mind giving me a free hand? Thought not.

Oh, and as SE, we will never get early retirement through ill health with a full pension, allowing us to start a new career.

Having said all that, bring on a moaning policeman.

 

[expertgasman]

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shan't be striking on Wednesday since, in spite of my rant, it seems entirely wrong to us to withdraw your children from what we have to offer and simultaneously making your day harder to bear especially in these times of financial strife.

Strike day = no pay

Thats a laugh isn't it.

But you don't mind when you shut the school cause of snow.
Teacher training. [/quote]

TTD or snow day = full pay and day in pub

 

[Blasphemous]

Having said all that, bring on a moaning policeman.

YES! I'd like to see/hear from a copper on here. That would be interesting.

 

[cantaloup63]

@expertgasman - I refer you to my previous posts regarding Teacher Training days. Also, tell me precisely what you think we should do on a snow day - I physically couldn't get into one a couple of years ago since it was impassabel, and last year I managed to get in after 3 hours to help supervise the children who got in (bear in mind that I work ina school which buses pupils in and the buses weren't operating).

Not sure why you bring the summer holidays up since they have never been relevant to the current dispute, and I have made no reference to them.

It is of huge consternation to many of us that the unions have, and continue to lobby for industrial action. certainly there hasn;t beenan actual majority who voted for it, and many of us are completely against it. In fact I emailed the main ATL offices to ask for confirmation that they too will be taking industrial action and losing a day's pay, to which they replied:

Dear Mr *******

Thank you for your email.

As you know, ATL members have voted to take strike action on the 30th November to show their opposition to the Government's attempts to adversely change the Teachers' Pension Scheme (TPS) and the Local Government Pension Scheme (LGPS). As you may also know, in order to take strike action union members must have a dispute with their employer. Staff at ATL are not in dispute with the employer. Rather, we will be supporting our members by helping to co-ordinate the action, actively participating in the action by attending demonstrations and local events around the country and by answering enquiries from members and media on the day itself.


Yours sincerely

Which is rich!!

 

[cantaloup63]

You still haven't answered my question sir!

Is this childcare as in before/after school?

During school - from 8.45 to 4pm. We are "in loco parentis" and not the actual parents

 

[LastMagicBean]

Teachers only seem to jump when the NUT mention more pay.
I don't remember strikes of any kind when discipline and order was effectively abolished in schools.

Not so much as a single placard.

 

[Blasphemous]

@expertgasman - I refer you to my previous posts regarding Teacher Training days. Also, tell me precisely what you think we should do on a snow day - I physically couldn't get into one a couple of years ago since it was impassabel, and last year I managed to get in after 3 hours to help supervise the children who got in (bear in mind that I work ina school which buses pupils in and the buses weren't operating).

Not sure why you bring the summer holidays up since they have never been relevant to the current dispute, and I have made no reference to them.

It is of huge consternation to many of us that the unions have, and continue to lobby for industrial action. certainly there hasn;t beenan actual majority who voted for it, and many of us are completely against it. In fact I emailed the main ATL offices to ask for confirmation that they too will be taking industrial action and losing a day's pay, to which they replied:

Dear Mr *******

Thank you for your email.

As you know, ATL members have voted to take strike action on the 30th November to show their opposition to the Government's attempts to adversely change the Teachers' Pension Scheme (TPS) and the Local Government Pension Scheme (LGPS). As you may also know, in order to take strike action union members must have a dispute with their employer. Staff at ATL are not in dispute with the employer. Rather, we will be supporting our members by helping to co-ordinate the action, actively participating in the action by attending demonstrations and local events around the country and by answering enquiries from members and media on the day itself.


Yours sincerely

Which is rich!!

Which is a lot of wind and waffle to say NO they won't be on strike and/or losing a day's pay! I ****ing hate waffle! If you've got something to say, say it, don't give me war and peace!

we will be supporting our members by helping to co-ordinate the action, actively participating in the action by attending demonstrations and local events around the country and by answering enquiries from members and media on the day itself.

Because obviously teachers don't have the skills to carry out any of that! What a bunch of supercilious twits! Send that into the local rag Cant, it'll be interesting to see/hear people's perspective on that comment.

 

[Blasphemous]

You still haven't answered my question sir!

Is this childcare as in before/after school?

During school - from 8.45 to 4pm. We are "in loco parentis" and not the actual parents

Yeah, I reread the thread and got the gist of your point now mate thanks.

 

[cantaloup63]

Teachers only seem to jump when the NUT mention more pay.
I don't remember strikes of any kind when discipline and order was effectively abolished in schools.

Not so much as a single placard.

A highly valid point. We were promised extra support at the time which did happen, albeit not quite as much as hoped for. The things that have been put in place since then include "no cover" which means that we no longer cover absent colleagues (hence the introducton of low paid cover supervisors), and the occasional "manged move" which means we pass hard nosed deviants between local schools to little effect.

But you are right - the unions kept schtum about this and "we" let them.

 

[cantaloup63]

we will be supporting our members by helping to co-ordinate the action, actively participating in the action by attending demonstrations and local events around the country and by answering enquiries from members and media on the day itself.

Because obviously teachers don't have the skills to carry out any of that! What a bunch of supercilious twits! Send that into the local rag Cant, it'll be interesting to see/hear people's perspective on that comment.

Thought you'd enjoy that little nugget. I mentioned i to a couple of wavering members at work who have made the rather curious subsequent decision not to strike

So having failed to make a sound enough argument in favour of an appropriate pension policy and thus failing in one of the few tasks we ask of them, the unions (whose wages we pay) decide to urge the members to take industrial action even though the union employees will not lose pay Out of courtesy one would at least hoped that these people would have offered to give up a day's pay and handed it to charity as a basic mnimum of scrupulous behaviour.