Conservative vote winner?

[Deleted member 221031]

Angry xenophobic flag shaggers who spend their days screaming about sovrinty are easily offended.


Diddums

Yawn

 

[IT Minion]

Ok, couple of facts to spoil the chat...

The military option is for well qualified candidates only, NOT anyone who wants to join.

"The military option will be voluntary, selective, and commissioned - and not square bashing or combat armed roles.
Sounds more like secondments to Abbey Wood, MOD and Cheltenham rather than Salisbury Plain…

”Young people will be able to choose between:

“Applying for a competitive, full-time military commission over 12 months in the armed forces or UK cyber defence, where young people will learn and take part in logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations. This placement will be selective, so that our world leading armed forces recruit and train the brightest and the best”."

Or civic volunteering.

RAF (as an example) officer training is 24 weeks ish. Work out the payback.

If they actually mean commissioned then the numbers will be trivial. We already do that anyway with the Gap year commission, now called an internship.

Army Launches New Officer Internship

The scheme will give candidates the opportunity to experience life as an officer for six to 18 months before, during or after university.

www.forces.net

So this announcement is really just about giving 98% of 18 year olds a community service order.

 

[JonathanM]

But still racist if said with venom.

It's a long time since I've thought about these things in detail. Is it racist for a white person to make fun of another white person's complexion?

 

[Deleted member 221031]

I'm still trying to get my head round it. Why do you believe it is so offensive?

It’s hate speech imho. Those who use it are worse that people using the N word etc.

Calling someone a 'gammon' is hate speech

Calling someone a gammon is discourse of the sewer.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

 

[noseall]

Why do you believe it is so offensive?

Mr P Ness? He's obviously one of those pale skinned types that gets red (or gammon pink), when he gets angry.

 

[JonathanM]

It’s hate speech imho. Those who use it are worse that people using the N word etc.

Calling someone a 'gammon' is hate speech

Calling someone a gammon is discourse of the sewer.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

I've found that article very confusing, so it's not helped me very much. She's somehow made it partly about religion, and turned the word gammon into an attack on white Christians. Then she also says that calling somebody a gammon means you are comparing them with a pig. Is this also what you believe?

 

[JonathanM]

However Gammon is racist if used with hate.

Even if that were true, that is very different to the P word or the N word which are always racist.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

I've found that article very confusing, so it's not helped me very much. She's somehow made it partly about religion, and turned the word gammon into an attack on white Christians. Then she also says that calling somebody a gammon means you are comparing them with a pig. Is this also what you believe?

I’m not walking into this one.

I just find it offensive and people who throw it around are rude inconsiderate and seem to love the sound of their own voice.

You can form your own opinion on the matter.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Even if that were true, that is very different to the P word or the N word which are always racist.

When one black person calls another black person the N word. Would you call that racist ?

Same thing with the P word.

Being called a gammon is racist against white people.

 

[JonathanM]

I’m not walking into this one.

I just find it offensive and people who throw it around are rude inconsiderate and seem to love the sound of their own voice.

You can form your own opinion on the matter.

I'm not trying to walk you into any sort of trap. I was just really surprised at the strength of feeling about this term. It had always seemed to just be a bit of silly fun to me. When @Bod ... commented on my original post, I thought he was pulling me up for mentioning the death penalty, not using the word gammon. So far, nobody has really tried to explain why it is so offensive.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

It's a long time since I've thought about these things in detail. Is it racist for a white person to make fun of another white person's complexion?

Yes of course

I have a mate of Polish decent that has a very square ️ jaw.
If I used that against him with anger and a Gammon red face it would be racist.

 

[Deleted member 221031]

I'm not trying to walk you into any sort of trap. I was just really surprised at the strength of feeling about this term. It had always seemed to just be a bit of silly fun to me. When @Bod ... commented on my original post, I thought he was pulling me up for mentioning the death penalty, not using the word gammon. So far, nobody has really tried to explain why it is so offensive.

Dim old builders chuck the term around with great glee.

Is it so bad being a white man, that we have to accept racism.

The watchers couldn’t care less about the term. That’s pathetic in my eyes

 

[JonathanM]

Being called a gammon is racist against white people.

The word gammon isn't used with anger, though. It's used for mocking. Maybe that's why certain people get upset by it.

 

[Odds]

Dim old builders chuck the term around with great glee.

Is it so bad being a white man, that we have to accept racism.

The watchers couldn’t care less about the term. That’s pathetic in my eyes

'Home boys' on the corners were called 'wiggers' back in the 90s. White youth aping mannerisms of Black culture.
Would you consider that a racist term?

 

[JonathanM]

Is it so bad being a white man, that we have to accept racism.

But white people as a whole aren't being called gammons. It refers to somebody who gets angry and goes red in the face when thinking about certain subjects. To me it's about attitudes and disposition.