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Curious stray voltage

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There are two lighting circuits in my house, one upstairs and one downstairs. The upstairs circuit loops through a ceiling rose which supports a pendant light on the landing. There is a 1.0mm T&E cable from the rose to a 1-gang 2-way switch on the landing and then a 3&E cable from that switch to another one downstairs in the hall to provide 2-way switching. The downstairs switch uses 1-gang of a 3-gang switch, the other 2 gangs controlling lights on the downstairs circuit.

The upstairs switch was sited in an old metal back-box inserted into a partition wall. The plasterboard around the box was breaking up, so as I'm about to redecorate that area I removed the switch, removed the old box, repaired the plasterboard, fitted a new plastic 'drywall' backbox, and refitted the switch.

Prior to starting work I pulled the fuse for the upstairs circuit. However when I waved my detection 'pen' over the switch, much to my surprise it registered some voltage. So I also pulled the fuse for the downstairs circuit, after which no voltage detected, nor did I find any when I opened up behind the switch and probed with the multimeter. Once I had completed all the work I replaced the downstairs fuse first and retested with the pen - nothing detected. Then replaced the fuse for the upstairs circuit and did get a voltage detected, as I would have expected. All works fine now.

So, what might have caused this curious initial reading? My first thought was some sort of 'borrowed live' in the 3-gang downstairs between the upstairs and downstairs circuit, but I had replaced that 3-gang not long ago and I am certain there was nothing like that. [ In any case, I've worked on other fittings on either the up or down stairs circuits recently without any problem that would suggest an incorrect connection between the two. ] My next thought is that, as the conduit which feeds the 3-gang contains cables from both circuits, was there some sort of induced voltage caused by them being in such close proximity? I also checked the ends of both cables behind the upstairs switch and there was no obvious sign of split insulation that might have lead to a cross-connection.

Any thoughts please on what might have been the cause and/or what else to check for?

TAI
 
Those magic voltage wands often pick up voltages. When several circuits run close together some voltage from one circuit can induce a small voltage into an adjacent one.

A proper two-probe voltage tester with a low resistance will not be fooled into thinking that there’s really a voltage there.
 
Yes, I agree with @Taylortwocities however a two-probe tester can be fooled into thinking there is really no voltage when only the neutral has been lost.

The problem with any tester, be it one or two probe, is finding a point to compare the voltage to. So using one's body as the reference point does seem a good idea.

We are talking about capacitive and inductive linking, and the whole house acting as a capacitor, so once discharged, how long would it take to charge up again? Hours, days or weeks?
 
There’s also single - point contact testing which can be useful but doesn’t prove anything

My cheap martindale tester has it

Non contact testers are great but need practice
 

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