Danfoss hard wired thermostat problem x 2 in new build home with Ideal combi boiler

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Hi I have just moved intoa new build property built circa 21/22 the house has an Ideal combi boiler and there are 2 hardwired thermostats one in the bedroom which is supposed to regulate the bedroom and ensuite and the other is in the hall which regulates all downstairs and 2 other bedroom heating. The one in the bedroom does not seem to be working well with the boiler and Im getting frustrated!

I think this system is too complicated for a 3 bed house tbh and wondered if you can not just have one thermostat installed for the entire house instead? Im not sure if this would cause extra work as they are hardwired?

Any body know a solution.

Alternatively I am thinking of getting a simpler thermostat with a knob or push button one eg Danfoss TP7000 Hardwired Battery Powered Programmable Room Thermostat (A731)
 
Hi I have just moved intoa new build property built circa 21/22 the house has an Ideal combi boiler and there are 2 hardwired thermostats one in the bedroom which is supposed to regulate the bedroom and ensuite and the other is in the hall which regulates all downstairs and 2 other bedroom heating.
Since around 2010, Part L of the building regs has asked that the heating systems of houses built over a certain size, should be split into zones - for the sake of improving efficiency.
How house builders have implemented this requirement, can sometimes be bewildering!
The one in the bedroom does not seem to be working well with the boiler and Im getting frustrated!
How exactly does the thermostat not seem to be working well with the boiler?
A problem here, could involve the thermostat, the wiring, or a zone valve; making sure the system works as it should, would be a first step, before attempting to modify it.
wondered if you can not just have one thermostat installed for the entire house instead?
Anything is possible!
 
The upstairs thermostat normally controls all of the bedrooms, not just one. The idea of Part L is to save energy by providing the option to turn the heating off in the bedrooms during the day when they aren't being used, but allow the downstairs heating to remain on if required. It seems strange to have the upstairs thermostat just controlling one bedroom.

If you do remove the two thermostats and just have one, your property will no longer meet the requirements of Part L, and should you come to sell it could effect the EPC rating, and a keen surveyor may insist that it's reinstated.
 
You might be able to remove the upstairs zone valve head, open the spindle and control everything from the one downstairs thermostat. Therefore, keeping the requirements of building regulations but hopefully satisfying your requirements
 
You might be able to remove the upstairs zone valve head, open the spindle and control everything from the one downstairs thermostat. Therefore, keeping the requirements of building regulations but hopefully satisfying your requirements
You would have to modify the zone valve wiring as well or just disconnect the valve from the wiring centre completely so there is no call for heat.
 
You would have to modify the zone valve wiring as well or just disconnect the valve from the wiring centre completely so there is no call for heat.
No you don't. It only calls for heat from the thermostat. I have done this several times
 
It does seem Part L was interpreted by people in different ways, I read on one council website how they felt having TRV in each room complied, and having programmable TRV heads clearly complies, and in the main the aim is for analogue control rather than digital (on/off) and the TRV lends itself to analogue control far better than a motorised valve.
How exactly does the thermostat not seem to be working well with the boiler?
A problem here, could involve the thermostat, the wiring, or a zone valve; making sure the system works as it should, would be a first step, before attempting to modify it.
This is very true, and with my own house it was a headache working out what went where, and what controlled what, and I had to carefully work out what wires went where, to be able to reuse the existing wiring to get the heating as I want it.

In the main the problem is, builder walk away without balancing the radiators, so on switch on, instead or a bit of heat going to all radiators, it goes to the easy path, until the TRV on that radiator starts to close, then next easiest path, and so on, so if any radiator is not warmed before the thermostat on the wall turns off the boiler, then it never gets warmed.

I read the instructions, it says fit a differential thermometer on each radiator in turn, and turn down the lock shield valve until different is around 15ºC the problem is I could not find my differential thermometer, so had to try something else.

My first step was starting as first radiator to heat up, to turn off the lock shield valve, wait for pipes to get cold, then turn back on ¼ turn at a time, until one pipe got warm, then move to the next.

It worked, but not A1, they still needed a bit of fine-tuning, by this time I had an electronic head for a radiator, which gave a display on the PC, so now I had 4 TRVs-1.jpg so I trimmed the lock shield so current never exceeded target, and except for room with bay window, where the sun was reason for over heating, all other rooms were spot on. The wall thermostat had been turned up full so sure the boiler did not turn off.

The next was the wall thermostat, unless using something like OpenTherm, we want the wall thermostat to only turn off on a warm day, so the temperature on the wall thermostat needs to be slightly higher than the TRV so it only turns off on warm days.

The easy way out is to get rid of wall thermostats, they are not required, as the TRV heads can tell the hub which in turn tells the boiler when to run, the EvoHome system you have a control panel on the wall,
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but you can have a mixture, the Drayton Wiser system allows you to use both wall thermostats and TRV heads to control the heating, and it does have the option of three channels, two for heating and one for domestic hot water, the latter simply not used with a combi boiler.

EPH do a system where motorised valves and OpenTherm can be used, I think up to 10 motorised valves, one master thermostat and rest are slaves, but in the main better to only use the TRV heads, OK I have both, motorised valve turns off complete flat, which reminds me, we are due to have visitors, so need to go down and turn heating up.
 

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