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New rules come in today for dual nationals. I’m just wondering how it will affect some people. Our son in law is half Yank so when they go to America, he just shows his US passport, when they come back, he shows his U.K. one. Do you always get two passports with dual nationality?

 
You’re entitled to two afaik. So booking details on the yank pass port and flash the British one on return.
 
If he has both passports he won’t have a problem. It’s only dual nationals who don’t have a U.K. passport that are impacted
 
New rules come in today for dual nationals. I’m just wondering how it will affect some people. Our son in law is half Yank so when they go to America, he just shows his US passport, when they come back, he shows his U.K. one. Do you always get two passports with dual nationality?

The new rules affect the issue of the first and subsequent British passports.
You now have to produce certificates of your birth, your parents birth, deaths and marriage to maintain your UK passport.
And passports from countries, not requiring a visa, will not facilitate you entry.
You will need either a UK passport, or a document that shows you have to right to enter UK.

If you're caught out (because it's been very poorly communicated), and find yourself outside of UK, you have to return to your 'other' country and apply from there for your British passport or renewal, or a document to allow you entry to UK.
And even if you can find the information easily and quickly it can still take months.

Currently the actions of the carriers is hit and miss. Some will allow you to board, others won't.
Others are finding their travel plans cancelled.
 
You’re entitled to two afaik. So booking details on the yank pass port and flash the British one on return.
UK citizens can have multiple passports.
As long as your UK passport is current, the problem only really arises when you come to renew it.
You will need to provide much more information now.
Otherwise, as you say, use the passport for entry and exit appropriate for whichever country you are entering or exiting.
 
It's a pain, but also there are some bizarre anomalies...

For example, in the future when I travel to the EU/EEA I shall have to purchase an online 'visa' and still be restricted in terms of time spent there...

Our children (dual nationals) will have to carry both passports to get back to the UK because they can't get an ETA...

My partner has 'settled status' after brexit, but only has to get a free 'code' to re-enter the UK...

But any changes in circumstances will be a bureaucratic nightmare!

It also has quite a few travel insurance consequences for dual nationals, as well as residency issues especially around healthcare.

It was so much easier back in the day!
 
they renew it. We don't require you to renounce your other citizenship.

If you are naughty, we might take the UK one away though
 
What happens to those who hold two passports when their UK one needs renewing?
Good question...

Basically whilst renewing 'in limbo' as regards getting back to the UK if abroad!

Unless of course you can stump up just shy of £600...

The whole system (including ETA) is simply a money making scam that will also cause misery for many if you happen to fall foul of the 'rules'!
 
they renew it. We don't require you to renounce your other citizenship.
And you have to provide the certificates for your parents births, deaths and marriage.
They might even ask for your grandparents details as well.
Clearly, if your parents or grandparents escaped a country during difficult times, there will be difficulties in acquiring the certificates, especially if your parents are now deceased.
If they didn't escape with you, or in cases of obtaining your grandparents details, it will be almost impossible.

The daft thing is, if you're not able to provide the information required, and you had only the one passport (UK), and they refuse to renew it, you're stuck in the UK and can't travel anywhere.

In the case of people having had just a UK passport, what's the point?
In the case of dual passport holders, it's obvious why it is happening, as MBK said, it's an easy route to remove your UK passport, just for not being able to provide the details requested, no 'naughtiness' required.

Take for example, British Army veterans from places like Kenya (escaped in 1963), Uganda (escaped in 1972), refugees from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh (escaped in various waves between 1947 and 1970), Cypriots (escaped Cyprus 1950s and 1960s), and many of the Windrush generation from the Caribbean Commonwealth countries, (1948-1971)

All of these (about 200,000 not including the Windrush generation) have lived, worked, married, had children, probably now drawing their state pension, are having to go back decades to find details about their parents, and grandparents, who may or may not have escaped with them.

Refugees from those previously UK colonies, now have to apply to various administrative centres in these other countries, from UK, for the certificates of their parents and grandparents, if they exist.

And it will impact their children also, if/when they apply for their passports.

The alternative is acquiring citizenship. Currently it costs over £2,000 for a citizenship, if they can't find the details for their parents or grandparents.
When the veterans were demobbed, they could have it for free in the first two years of their de-mob. Now they have to pay, and it will take months, and much correspondence between the UK, and various other ex-UK colonies, at additional costs, to complete the process, not to mention the subsequent verifying of the details by UK civil servants.

Nepalese veterans were excused such processes, eventually, after a much publicised campaign. It should apply to all British Army veterans born abroad.

I'm seriously considering emigrating. I don't like the direction UK is going.
Of the obvious English speaking countries some offer easy retirement visas.
South Africa requires an annual income of £12,000, Mauritius require a $18,000 annual income.
Uganda offers retiree visas for those with $26,000 dollars annual income. Kenya offers a similar visa for those with $36,000 annual income.

Thailand requires £1,500 monthly income, Philipines with $10,000 deposit and $850 per month income.
European countries (especially the EU ones) are (or have already) in the process of making it difficult for GB retirees, usually requiring obtaining citizenship, which invariably requires a language test.
 
that will also cause misery for many if you happen to fall foul of the 'rules'!
Many will be unaware of the new rules, or if it will affect them, and how.
Which means anyone affected, applying for a UK first passport, or a renewal could encounter serious diffculty, which could result in them having to cancel their travel plans.

Anyone born abroad, or with dual citizenship need to check if, and how it may affect them.
If you were born abroad, and had only a UK (or CUKC, or BOTC, or BDTC, or BOC, or BN(O)*) passport, it may sill affect you, which includes British Army veterans born abroad.

* Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies, British Overseas Territories, British Dependent Territories Citizenship, British Overseas Citizen,
British National (Overseas).
 
Good question...

Basically whilst renewing 'in limbo' as regards getting back to the UK if abroad!

Unless of course you can stump up just shy of £600...

The whole system (including ETA) is simply a money making scam that will also cause misery for many if you happen to fall foul of the 'rules'!
Oh how you laughed and found great joy that U.K. nationals would have to get a visa to visit the EU. You're not laughing now that EU nationals will need an ETA to come here. In fact, it’s suddenly become a money making scam in your eyes. Funny how it wasn’t a money making spiteful scam before this happened. :ROFLMAO:
 
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