EES checks suspended.

[Mottie]

I see Greece has suspended EES checks for non-EU travellers, Portugal are waving others through at busy times, Spain and Italy are seriously thinking about it too. Looks like they've just realised they may have shot themselves in the foot. Reason given is that the British pound is worth too much for them to be upsetting us Brits. The EU have had ages to get this up and running too - not very good at organising things are they? I think they may quietly drop this as years go on.

This dream from Ellal is now 2 years old. Keep dreaming old chap……

But then there is more...

"After intense dialogues with Member States, with you, with the different stakeholders – I (EU home affairs commissioner Ylva Johansson) have decided that the Entry/Exit System will enter into operations on 10 November."

Ms Johansson said the EES system would mean "every single airport", "harbour" or "road into Europe" would have strict digital border controls.

So in order to enter the EU/EEA, UK citizens are treated the same as criminals or terrorists...

Fingerprints, digital ID etc...

 

[King Billy]

I see Greece has suspended EES checks for non-EU travellers, Portugal are waving others through at busy times, Spain and Italy are seriously thinking about it too. Looks like they've just realised they may have shot themselves in the foot. Reason given is that the British pound is worth too much for them to be upsetting us Brits. The EU have had ages to get this up and running too - not very good at organising things are they? I think they may quietly drop this as years go on.

This dream from Ellal is now 2 years old. Keep dreaming old chap……

What is the cost of the EES to passengers? Which is completed at point of entry. It has no effect on the carrier, nor risks any loss of ticket cost.
What is the cost to passengers for an ETA? Which is required before boarding, otherwise you'll be refused permission to board, by the carrier, and will lose the cost of the ticket.

The EES applies to all non-EU travellers. Greece has only suspended the use of the system for UK travellers, and only for this years holiday season.

 

[Mottie]

Greece has only suspended the use of the system for UK travellers, and only for this years holiday season.

So far……..

I was waved through in Spain a couple of weeks ago and AFTER the EES came into effect and it wasn’t because it was busy.

96 seconds to get through departure gates at Malaga. I don’t ever remember any airport having anywhere near as many men in booths checking passports as there are machines in there now, does anybody? Terrible, the way they treat us non-eu travellers…..


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[ellal]

The EES applies to all non-EU travellers. Greece has only suspended the use of the system for UK travellers, and only for this years holiday season.

Funnily enough if the UK were still in the EU there wouldn't be a problem

But then the rabid brexiteers/EU haters/UK haters always point out problems that they fail to/refuse to understand are of their making

 

[King Billy]

So far……..

I was waved through in Spain a couple of weeks ago and AFTER the EES came into effect and it wasn’t because it was busy.

Such is the vagaries of border controls. Sometimes, even often, there is no rhyme nor reason for those vagaries.
I've been through 9 or 10 border controls in the last couple of months. Half of them European, and the other half non-European. In all those crossings, I've picked up 1 visa, and about 3 entry or exit stamps.

In one discussion with a fellow traveller, the border control refused to allow the person to leave because there was no entry stamp in their passport.
Their argument was that if they hadn't entered the country, they couldn't exit it.
It took references to arrival schedules on specific days and passenger manifests to prove they had legally arrived and entered, and it was not the fault of the traveller, that the passport was not stamped on entry.

Such is the vagaries of border controls. It is what it is on the day.
I suspect that it is intentionally not routine and mundane, for several reasons, to confuse travellers and help prevent smuggling, and to prevent boredom of personnel

And I've still not completed an EES, nor needed an ETA.
But I have been digitally processed in some of the non-European countries.

 

[aveatry]

I've been through 9 or 10 border controls in the last couple of months. Half of them European, and the other half non-European.
And I've still not completed an EES, nor needed an ETA.
But I have been digitally processed in some of the non-European countries.

The UK hating liar reveals that he does not live in the UK. There is no way after 10 border crossings that a person will not have had to to an EES unless they are in the EU to start with.

 

[aveatry]

Funnily enough if the UK were still in the EU there wouldn't be a problem

But then the rabid brexiteers/EU haters/UK haters always point out problems that they fail to/refuse to understand are of their making

Was it announced before Brexit that they were bringing in this EES then

 

[aveatry]

There are costs to the passengers and airlines. Passengers are missing flights after getting stuck in long EES queues and in some cases having to buy another ticket. Then everyone else who got on the flight are missing transfers or paying carpark fees.
Some airlines are missing takeoff slots as they wait for passengers and so the aircraft are out of position for the next flight also adding costs.
The system has been on off for years in a typical EU mess until finally going live and then it's chaos.
Holiday destinations are being avoided were there are hot spots of problems.
The EU told Greece that there are no facilities for member states to opt out of the system- Greece stuck 2 fingers up.

 

[King Billy]

The UK hating liar reveals that he does not live in the UK. There is no way after 10 border crossings that a person will not have had to to an EES unless they are in the EU to start with.

Only half of them in Europe, (psssst, that's 5 )

Stick to your conspiracy theories, although you're rubbish at that as well.

 

[King Billy]

Was it announced before Brexit that they were bringing in this EES then

How is that relevant?
Did the Brexit campaign say it wouldn't be installed, or that the E111 wouldn't be any good, etc.?

 

[King Billy]

There are costs to the passengers and airlines. Passengers are missing flights after getting stuck in long EES queues and in some cases having to buy another ticket. Then everyone else who got on the flight are missing transfers or paying carpark fees.
Some airlines are missing takeoff slots as they wait for passengers and so the aircraft are out of position for the next flight also adding costs.
The system has been on off for years in a typical EU mess until finally going live and then it's chaos.
Holiday destinations are being avoided were there are hot spots of problems.
The EU told Greece that there are no facilities for member states to opt out of the system- Greece stuck 2 fingers up.

Any actual evidence of what you claim, because you do make loads of silly accusations and claims which are invariably false.

Or do you get your information from your pareidolia habit?

 

[ellal]

Was it announced before Brexit that they were bringing in this EES then

Indeed it was...

"The European Union’s Entry/Exit System (EES) was formally proposed by the European Commission on April 6, 2016, as part of a revised "Smart Borders Package"

Long before brexit happened (31 January 2020), and even before the 2016 referendum...

Those who bothered to check as to what the implications of leaving the EU meant in practice voted to remain in the EU...

Idiots who chose to ignore the reality of the UK becoming a 'third country' chose the opposite...

Hence the chaos of what is now going on

 

[motorbiking]

10 years to build it and now it’s falling apart before it’s live.

 

[noseall]

I heard folk on here saying it would not cause delays…?

 

[IT Minion]

Its a massive border system crammed into existing facilities with new kit rolled out to hundreds of different companies and languages.

It would be more of a surprise if it weren't a car crash.

I don't think we've even gotten our border controls done 6 years post Brexit?