Assuming she has it, is there a CH pipe relatively near the room?
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Yes there is, just the other side of the wall in the kitchen directly where the new heater will go, put there deliberately for a radiator in the conservatory. However.....
1. When the conservatory was built, it was part of a larger kitchen extension project, and the LABC inspector said that we could not have a radiator connected to the central heating system installed. The reason he gave was because the conservatory being mostly glass didn't have sufficient insulation and was not energy efficient and so the building regulations state that it had to have a completely separate and independent heating system. For the same reason, we had to have external double glazed doors between it and the rest of the house. This is a real pain, because most visitors kick, or trip over the step as they enter.
2. There isn't a lot of space available, just about the size of a wall mounted electric convector, so only a small radiator would be possible anyway.
3. It's a super insulated bungalow, so much of the time it stays warm and the central heating doesn't come on much, so when we want to heat the conservatory from cold quickly, I doubt the central heating would 'cut the mustard'
4. In late summer, early autumn when the central heating isn't on it can be cool in the conservatory of an evening, so a bit of localised heat as, and when required may be useful.
Has anybody else had a reply yet?
I have, but it failed to provide any evidence to support their claim that their product gives "30% energy savings heating a room"
The person sending the reply appeared to be under the misapprehension that the statement "Based on heating a room - speed of warm up 10oC to 22C - range average - Glen Dimplex test laboratory results 2010." is evidence of a 30% energy saving.
As has been discussed, that '30% saving' may be literally true in terms of the amount of energy consumed just during the initial period of heating the room from 10° until it first reached 22°, but that difference would disappear during ongoing maintenance of room temperature.
Kind Regards, John
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indeed so.
the heat loss is the same, so the idea that one electric heater can maintain the same temperature, with the same heat loss, with less energy is clearly wrong.
"30% energy savings heating a room"
is what Dimplex say, and it cannot be true.
the heat loss is the same, so the idea that one electric heater can maintain the same temperature, with the same heat loss, with less energy is clearly wrong.
"30% energy savings heating a room"
is what Dimplex say, and it cannot be true.
As I said, if they are going to argue that "30% energy savings heating a room" means (per their test) "30% saving in heating a room from 10° until it gets to 22°", then it could possible be true! There is nothing in their statement which explicitly mentions maintaining a temperature!
Kind Regards, John
From the ASA website (with my highlighting):
Apologies if it's too wide for some people.
Apologies if it's too wide for some people.
Quite. That is presumably what they are hoping - but they probably think that they could defend themselves, if taken to task, by pointing out that the words they wrote didn't actually say that (particularly given the note about the test conditions)!
A lot of 'clever' thought goes into what companies think they can 'get away with' in their ('misleading', as you and I would call them) adverts which imply something to the 'target audience' without actually literally saying it! It really is very naughty, but I don't know to what extent they can 'get away with' this in the eyes of the rules, regulations and laws.
Kind Regards, John
I guess that partially answers the question I've just effectively posed - but does CAP actually apply to the sort of material we're talking about (i.e. dose it count as 'advertising'?).
Far too wide for me
Kind Regards, John
The conservatory heating doesn't have to be completely independent, but it must be independently controllable. Whether your existing pipework is sufficient is unknown but it may be possible to run new pipe(s) back to the zone valve and put the conservatory on its own zone.
A fan-assisted convector ('myson') has a high output in a small space.
http://www.myson.co.uk/products/slim_line_rc.asp#tabbed-2 is 4.5 kW. Other manufacturers are available.
They certainly have seemingly tried hard to 'cover themselves', but I don't know to what extent this would be regarded as "trying to get off on a technicality" as far as advertising regs (if they apply) are concerned. Each and every reference to the "30% energy saving" on their website has an asterisked footnote referring to "speed of warm up 10°C to 22°C" - and, for those who read it, "speed of warm up" is fairly clear, and does not really imply anything about maintenance of temperature.
Kind Regards, John
Kind Regards, John
you mean where the "explanation" says something quite different to the claim.
like writing
"pork pies will add 30% to your penis size*"
"* pork pies caused waistine to expand by up to 30% when five pork pies per day were consumed in addition to normal diet over a period of 20 years"
like writing
"pork pies will add 30% to your penis size*"
"* pork pies caused waistine to expand by up to 30% when five pork pies per day were consumed in addition to normal diet over a period of 20 years"
I hope you're not getting the impression that I am in any way defending, supporting or justifying their clearly misleading tactics! I'm merely talking about what they appear to be 'trying to get away with'!
Your analogy above is not really appropriate, since the footnote is not just 'clarifying' but, rather, is totally changing the initial statement - 'penis size' and 'waistline' are two very different things. To be silly, it would be a better analogy if the footnote read "there was a 30% average increase in penis size when pork pies were suspended from the ends of the penises of N volunteers" !!!
Kind Regards, John
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