EU calling for respect.

[denso13]

It was a condition of being in the single market, accepting the four freedoms.

Not for buying oranges. It was linked to FOM, the single market was never mentioned.

 

[Mottie]

We now don't have FOM but still buy their oranges. Maybe he didn't mean it to sound like a Reform sound bite.

You mean what you think should be a Reform sound bite?

 

[denso13]

You mean what you think should be a Reform sound bite?

No, I definitely don't think it should be, it's misleading.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Good. Job done as far as I’m concerned. If they want to buy from us, fine. If they want to sell to us, also fine. Don’t link sales of goods to automatic freedom of movement. We don't do it with others so why the insistence we do it with them? Perhaps if we were a pìss poor country and nobody wanted to move here and there were many better ones, then I might have a different view. Let’s face it, how many Spanish, French or Italians come here compared to Latvians, Lithuanians, Romanians etc? You don’t hear of Romanian pickpocketing gangs setting up shop in Slovenia, do you?

You totally missed the point about the immigration issues didn't you.

Brexit didn't solve it, as some believed it would.

 

[Notch7]

Good. Job done as far as I’m concerned. If they want to buy from us, fine. If they want to sell to us, also fine. Don’t link sales of goods to automatic freedom of movement. We don't do it with others so why the insistence we do it with them? Perhaps if we were a pìss poor country and nobody wanted to move here and there were many better ones, then I might have a different view. Let’s face it, how many Spanish, French or Italians come here compared to Latvians, Lithuanians, Romanians etc? You don’t hear of Romanian pickpocketing gangs setting up shop in Slovenia, do you?

migrants are lazy, they just come here for benefits and freebies says Mottie
migrants are taking our jobs and undercutting wages because they are so hard working says Mottie

asylum seekers are filling up NHS waiting times says Mottie
asylum seeker are all super healthy men of fighting age says Mottie

 

[Mottie]

You totally missed the point about the immigration issues didn't you.

Brexit didn't solve it, as some believed it would.

Immigration for those that are needed, apply and accepted was never a problem. Unchecked immigration was. That’s stopped now.

 

[Mottie]

migrants are lazy, they just come here for benefits and freebies says Mottie
migrants are taking our jobs and undercutting wages because they are so hard working says Mottie

asylum seekers are filling up NHS waiting times says Mottie
asylum seeker are all super healthy men of fighting age says Mottie

The major criminal gangs in the UK were not born here, especially the Romanian pickpocketing gangs says Mottie.
Migrants were taking our jobs and undercutting wages because they came from poor countries, live ten to a squat, hotbedding and were treated like shìt by unscrupulous employers says mottie.
Illegal immigrants who cannot sign on legally to a GP practice are turning up in A&E causing big waiting times says mottie.
Economic migrants who come over on boats and claim asylum are mainly young, fit, single men says Mottie.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Immigration for those that are needed, apply and accepted was never a problem. Unchecked immigration was. That’s stopped now.

Has it? Ok

 

[Lirefighter]

What if we could avoid freedom of movement but we accepted everything else involved with the single market and the customs union. Obviously, it's a hypothetical at the moment.

Still a no go from me.
The, UK should make trade deals with other countries that primarily benefit the, UK.
Why should we be hobbled by what Greece wants, or Spain, or Germany etc, etc when agreeing a deal with, Australia?

 

[Notch7]

The, UK should make trade deals with other countries that primarily benefit the, UK

That is the EU

Why should we be hobbled by what Greece wants, or Spain, or Germany etc, etc when agreeing a deal with, Australia?

For 2 main reasons:




1) Because EU 28 had gdp of around $18trillion
U.K. has gdp of around $3trillion

So EU has far more leverage, it’s a far larger market.

2) because the benefits of frictionless trade with our largest trade partner on our doorstep far out weighs any benefits of UK only trade deals

3) 75% of our trade is with EU, China, USA, Japan, India, Canada

We have a trade deal (albeit weak) with EU, we have zero chance of any trade deal with USA or China……and as an EU member we already had trade deals with Japan, Canada, Mexico etc

So the only trade deals we can do is with small countries thousands of miles away

 

[denso13]

Why should we be hobbled by what Greece wants, or Spain, or Germany etc, etc when agreeing a deal with, Australia?

Because we'd get a better deal. It isn't rocket science...

 

[denso13]

Economic migrants who come over on boats and claim asylum are mainly young, fit, single men says Mottie.

Boats weren't an issue when we were in the EU.

 

[Lirefighter]

That is the EU


For 2 main reasons:




1) Because EU 28 had gdp of around $18trillion
U.K. has gdp of around $3trillion

So EU has far more leverage, it’s a far larger market.

2) because the benefits of frictionless trade with our largest trade partner on our doorstep far out weighs any benefits of UK only trade deals

3) 75% of our trade is with EU, China, USA, Japan, India, Canada

We have a trade deal (albeit weak) with EU, we have zero chance of any trade deal with USA or China……and as an EU member we already had trade deals with Japan, Canada, Mexico etc

So the only trade deals we can do is with small countries thousands of miles away

Are you implying that it's a good idea to be an, EU member so that we can bully smaller independent nations?
That is what you are saying, right!

 

[Lirefighter]

Because we'd get a better deal. It isn't rocket science...

Why would we get a better deal?

 

[denso13]

Why would we get a better deal?

More countries, more people, bigger buying power, more clout.