EU calling for respect.

[Justin Passing]

So what percentage of our exports go to the EU now that we are no longer a member?

It can be said to have gone up but that's not the whole story, The red tape has certainly impeded exports. of physical goods. Google provides many hits

 

[noseall]

The, UK should make trade deals with other countries that primarily benefit the, UK.
Why should we be hobbled by what Greece wants, or Spain, or Germany etc, etc when agreeing a deal with, Australia?

Are you under the impression that seamless unhindered trade with 27 nations somehow disadvantaged the UK?

Are you under the impression that FOM was financially bad for the UK?

How has being free form these so called shackles you speak of, made your life so much better?

 

[blup]

What if we could avoid freedom of movement but we accepted everything else involved with the single market and the customs union. Obviously, it's a hypothetical at the moment.

Thatcher saw freedom of movement as fundamental to free trade. There might be a middle way, Freedom of movement for workers, as opposed to people and their families. They would be visiting workers as opposed to full blown EU citizens. They would need basic access to certain facilities. But they could also build houses for us.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Are you implying that it's a good idea to be an, EU member so that we can bully smaller independent nations?
That is what you are saying, right!

Bullying smaller nations for a better deal is a perk? OMG

It was always OK when Britain ruled the Empire.

..... It doesn't make sense, though, to impoverish a nation through trade and then send them foreign aid.

That isn't what Trade Agreements do. You're confusing Empire building and Colonisation with Trading Agreements.
With a Trade Agreement, you can impose conditions such as "moral trading conditions", Standards of Goods", "Regulation of Services", etc
Those conditions are bilateral.

But you still have to pay the prices for goods and services.

 

[Notch7]

So what percentage of our exports go to the EU now that we are no longer a member?

Around 42%

But the key thing to note is that the trade barrier costs are way higher than they used to be.

Brexit has killed off thousands of one man band and SME businesses from European trade.

My wife has an Etsy business, EU exports aren’t worth the hassle now


The problem with Brexit supporters like you, is their talking points are simplistic emotive slogans and logical fallacies.

 

[Notch7]

To some people it is.
Notchy has stayed with his abusive partner for decades because he believes that if he left he'd be 0.00003% worse off/Yr.
What would the neighbours think

EU wasn’t an abusive partner.

U.K. was a founding member and had great influence in the EU.

For example EUs set of standards…..are heavily built from BSI standards.


And U.K. is far worse off than the % you mention.


Lirefighter, instead of pushing your false arguments all the time, why don’t you have some courage and go and learn actual facts about the comparison between EU membership versus our Brexit destination…..that would be more benefits to you.

The reality is Brexit was never going to solve the structural problems this country has, which are the result of decades of neo liberal politics. And rejoining won’t sort them out either, but it would help our economy.

 

[Notch7]

It was a condition of being in the single market, accepting the four freedoms.

I thought the right wing supported liberty and freedom.

Apparently people like Farage only believe the freedom applies to them, not the plebs.

 

[Mottie]

Notch. You’re all over the place with your Etsy posts. Pick one position and stick with it.

The ability to buy online has generated a huge opportunity for individual entrepreneurs - you can work in your garden shed making stuff, sell it on Etsy and get customers from all over the world

my wife helps with an Etsy shop,

My wife has an Etsy business,

But it appears you are against businesses like Etsy.

ebay
amazon
etsy
booking.com

all charge a fee.....
but they also create monopolies, then screw as much dough out of the system for shareholders whilst paying as little tax a possible.

Monopolies are ruining this country.

I hate the fact that the highstreet and online is dominated by a small number of MNCs.

booking.com for example -cream off too much profit from small B&B owners


Ebay / Etsy -the same

So, are Etsy good, bad, does your wife work for an Etsy shop, run an Etsy business, get customers from all over the world, support the horrible tax dodging monopolies? Time to make your mind up.

You say the same about Amazon.

3) don’t have Netflix, Amazon and Disney services

But

Amazon are naughty, they design the buying page so the click button to buy is the prime option.

It's so easy to add prime without knowing.

I've used it a few times deliberately then cancelled straight after.

Notch - the lying hypocrite.

 

[Notch7]

But it appears you are against businesses like Etsy.

I am, but I still use them. the 2 things arent mutually exclusive

It is possible to be ideologically opposed to the power that the wealthy billionaires have in their ownership of digital businesses and at the same time using those businesses as required

Notch - the lying hypocrite.

Please do us a favour and have a little grow up, theres a good chap

I dont like Amazon nor ebay nor Etsy, but I use them where expedient

where I can I buy direct from a sellers website rather than Amazon



It does not make me a liar, you are just making yourself look a fool

 

[Mottie]

Ah right. You’re against things until you need to use them. Lying hypocrite swerving Notch.

 

[Notch7]

Ah right. You’re against things until you need to use them. Lying hypocrite swerving Notch.

poor Mottie has lost the argument again

Mottie the LOSER

 

[MNW67]

That isn't what Trade Agreements do.

Whoosh!

What I was saying is that using the economic power of the EU to screw third world countries over trade, and then send them foreign aid, is stupid. We should just give them fairer trade deals in the first place.

 

[Notch7]

I didn't like it when the EU did it. But it is one of the benefits of being a powerful trading bloc. If one is being objective. It doesn't make sense, though, to impoverish a nation through trade and then send them foreign aid.

do you have evidence they did it? -I think it was true to some extent historically but not so sure now

I have come across lots of articles claiming how the EU mistreated African nations, usually in regards to high import tariffs

but research Ive done mostly shows this to be based on the headline tariff and ignores the EBA concessions, part of the generalised scheme of preferences (GSP, GSP+) which cuts the tariff down to zero in most cases

there was a bit of controversy about ending the GSP in regards to rice from Vietnam, but I think thas been dropped now

there was also some controversy about EU dumping milk powder on some regions in Africa -about a decade ago

 

[Notch7]

For those running the show it's nothing but perks.

Farage got a nice big EU pension for doing FA

has Farage ever actually been to Claction yet, how often has he bothered to turn up to parliament

but I expect most people who work for the EU actually do work

 

[Mottie]

how often has he bothered to turn up to parliament

https://members.parliament.uk/member/5091/voting