Maybe 'interested', but plain daft in the 'advice' he gave!Amazed you had a BCO that was that interested, reassuring in a obviously annoying way for you.
Kind Regards, John
Maybe 'interested', but plain daft in the 'advice' he gave!Amazed you had a BCO that was that interested, reassuring in a obviously annoying way for you.
I suppose anything is possible. All I can say (repeat) is that, in their description of the external one, the only difference FloPlast mention is the fly screen. They also present a detailed diagram of the innards, which seemingly applies to both 'internal' and 'external' ones.AFAIK there is no set distinction in the type testing between internal and external AAV with BS EN 12380. It's possible they do use a different stabilizing agent in the external one for it to actually survive outside.
Indeed, but as I've said a number of times, whilst one might well know what is going on in nearby properties at one point in time, one can presumably never be certain that the situation (in other properties) will never change ion the future..... and yes the vent requirement is mainly a protection against pressure changes and also gas discharge - so you do sometimes need a vent to maintain the correct balance between the interconnected systems of each property.
Not at all, I think you may be. I had to deal with something, which in effect was not notifiable, following discussions between the homeowner and LABC. It was totally unreasonable and not warranted but the lead BCO, in his wisdom, decided I should be substantially out of pocket. The point being, you can try to work out the proper meaning of words, it can mean diddly squat at the end of the day.I think you may be missing the point, and the point of my question. If something is not 'notifiable', then you don't have to 'deal with' anyone at all in relation to it!
Well, that was presumably the fault of the home owner? If it had not been for him/her, then if you did not believe that the work was notifiable, you presumably would never have involved ('talked to') LABC at all, would you?Not at all, I think you may be. I had to deal with something, which in effect was not notifiable, following discussions between the homeowner and LABC. It was totally unreasonable and not warranted ....
It surely can't be that people are expect to 'guess' (or 'use their own judgement') to decide whether or not there is a legal requirement for them to do something, can it ?
That's surely a ridiculous situation, isn't it?Most will pobably visit a site such as https://www.bristol.gov.uk/resident...eck-if-you-need-building-regulations-approval, or phone up and ask. .... It is then pot luck as to who you'll get on the other end of the phone, BCO's in the same council can give different advice.
I've been trying to look into this, and I'm starting to wonder if the situation is perhaps that NO plumbing/waste work needs to be notified to LABC ?As I said, 'the law' (the Building Regs) is very clear about the answer in relation to electrical work. Are you saying that it is nowhere stated what types (if any) of plumbing/drainage work invokes a legal requirement to notify?
If that is 'the lot', it doesn't seem to include much of the plumbing work that one might contemplate doing. ... and there is no explicit mention of 'drainage' work.Did you know that by law there are some types of plumbing work which must be notified to your local water company in advance? .......
Local water companies review plans for plumbing and can help ensure the plumbing work complies with the Water Fittings Regulations, which are designed to keep the UK’s drinking water supplies fresh, safe and free from contamination.
The need to notify plumbing work at least 10 days in advance of work starting applies to both domestic properties and non-household buildings such as offices, hospitals, schools, care homes and leisure centres.
WaterSafe’s film clarifies the types of plumbing work that must be notified and gained approval for, before getting started. These are:
- Extending or altering the water system on any non-household building
- A reduced pressure zone (RPZ) valve assembly or similar
- A water treatment unit which produces wastewater
- A bidet with an upward spray or flexible hose
- A bath which holds more than 230 litres of water
- A pump or booster delivering more than 12 litres of water per minute connected directly or indirectly to a supply pipe
- A reverse osmosis unit (for purifying water)
- Any water system outside a building which is either less than 750mm or more than 1,350mm below ground
- A garden watering system (unless operated by hand)
- Installing a swimming pool or pond over 10,000 litres
- Changing the use of a building or installing systems such as rainwater harvesting
- Any drinking water fountain.
Schedule 4 says what doesn't need notifying.Are you saying that it is nowhere stated what types (if any) of plumbing/drainage work invokes a legal requirement to notify?
Indeed, and I've discussed that before - so you've now taken us back to where this discussion started.Schedule 4 says what doesn't need notifying.
No,it would mean that the great majority of plumbing (even just adding a hot water tap,
And all hot water/heating systems/parts except the boiler. As far as plumbing goes, is there much left out?However, as I said, that list (of things that do NOT need to be notified) is very limited, essentially only relating to (with caveats) replacing bathroom items, gutters, rainwater downpipes, or parts of a cold water system, or adding an 'output device' or 'control device' to a cold water system.
Yes, you're right. I had overlooked (f) of Schedule 4. However ....No,
(f)in relation to an existing fixed building service, which is not a fixed internal or external lighting system—
(i)replacing any part which is not a combustion appliance,
There I have to disagree (as I have previously). The text you quote is a caveat within (j) of Schedule 4, and therefore surely applies only (as a caveat) to (j)(i) - (j)(vi), none of which mention drainage/disposal of waste/foul water (i.e. they don't include anything about 'drainage').and for soil pipes,
"where the work does not include any work to underground drainage, and includes no work to the hot or cold water system or above ground drainage, which may prejudice the health or safety of any person on completion of the work"
Well, per my recent post, I don't think that it excludes waste/soil pipes etc.And all hot water/heating systems/parts except the boiler. As far as plumbing goes, is there much left out?
Yes, I agree, unless it is above ground and in relation to (j)(i) - (j)(vi) and "does not prejudice the health or safety of any person on completion of the work", which I think would cover most work on soil/vents (i.e., not requiring LABC).I therefore don't see that (j) excludes anything to do with waste/soil pipes from the need for notification. Do you disagree?
OK - so we are agredd. If, as is the case, all I would be doing is related to the soil/vent pipes, not involving any of the the things in (j)(i)-(j)(vi) (all of which relate to 'replacing' other things), the work would, 'strictly speaking, be notifiable.Yes, I agree, unless it is above ground and in relation to (j)(i) - (j)(vi) and "does not prejudice the health or safety of any person on completion of the work", which I think would cover most work on soil/vents (i.e., not requiring LABC).
As above, so it seems.You could argue the installation of an AAV only may then be notifiable.
Regarding them as human beings, I would also hope that. However, they are not really in a position to determine whether or not there is a legal requirement to notify a particular type of work, even if they agree with us that such a requirement is silly - any such 'legal requirement' (or not) is determined solely by the Building Regs.I'd like to think though that BCO's would not require an application for minor works.
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