Fox hunting season

I met a tame fox once, at a place where the staff had been feeding it so it was wondering if I was going to feed it.

They're interesting. A lot like dogs but they absolutely won't make eye contact. Really strange at first, they'll look away if you look at them.
 
I sort of wonder what Labour are really doing here, is it about animal welfare or is some class system vendetta ?

fox hunting is not right by a long shot, but compared to many things that go on in our food production, it is quite insignificant.

If they really wanted to make the lives of animals (millions of animals) better. Then why don't they ban Halal slaughter - that's cruel and it is happening on an industrial scale - and thats the opinion of the British Veterinary Association

Figures from the Food Standards Agency indicate that in 2018 over 94 million cattle, sheep, and poultry were slaughtered in England without being pre-stunned.
www.bva.co.uk

Non-stun slaughter | British Veterinary Association

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can't see that ticking many far left boxes.... lets target the landed gentry instead.
 
Highway Man said:
To chase a terrified fox with a pack of dogs then the poor fox gets torn to shreds at the end of the chase after the fox is out of breath and has nowhere to go. It’s diabolical and barbaric. Only done by those that consider themselves gentry. I would happily tear those *******s to pierces.
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TBH I have very little interest in the foxhunting debate, however I wish to point out that, under the present Government, this is a direct threat to life and may result in a dawn knock followed by several months in prison. Remember Lucy Connolly in Southport? Even worse, if the 'toffs' get protected characteristics status, a racially motivated crime.
 
Was she the one encouraging people to go out and commit mass murder?

And wasn't the law she broke brought in by the Tories when Maggie was PM?
 
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Munroast said:
If they really wanted to make the lives of animals (millions of animals) better. Then why don't they ban Halal slaughter - that's cruel and it is happening on an industrial scale -
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You are mistaken.

It's Jewish ritual slaughter that is always of unstunned animals.

Halal slaughter is generally carried out in normal slaughterhouses to normal UK standards of stunned animals.

The difference is that a prayer is recited

Which you will agree has no effect on the suffering or otherwise of the animal.

I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
 
JohnD said:
You are mistaken.

It's Jewish ritual slaughter that is always of unstunned animals.

Halal slaughter is generally carried out in normal slaughterhouses to normal UK standards of stunned animals.

The difference is that a prayer is recited

Which you will agree has no effect on the suffering or otherwise of the animal.

I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
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Really?
 
JohnD said:
You are mistaken.

It's Jewish ritual slaughter that is always of unstunned animals.

Halal slaughter is generally carried out in normal slaughterhouses to normal UK standards of stunned animals.

The difference is that a prayer is recited

Which you will agree has no effect on the suffering or otherwise of the animal.

I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
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www.rspca.org.uk

Religious Slaughter of Animals - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

Find out why we're opposed to the slaughter of animals without pre-stunning (religious slaughter) and learn about the welfare issues involved.
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Highway Man said:
We have been feeding foxes for years at my house. They get better fed than I do. Lena looks after them like pets but every so often they get replaced by another family. It’s lovely to see how they turn out having looked after them. Their coats gleaming a nice healthy weight and look well cared for. They are lovely animals and have unique characters when you get to know them.
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A friend of ours feeds foxes. She bangs a tin ten times at a set time each night in her garden and they come out of the bushes - that’s if they are not all sitting to attention, waiting for her. They have recently been joined by badgers! When she first started feeding them, the first one was very poorly with mange. She got onto the Essex wildlife hospital and they gave her a one-shot medicine for it. She administered it into some food and now it is a very healthy looking fox. She hasn’t mentioned it to the farmers on the shoot as they hate foxes.
 
JohnD said:
You are mistaken.

It's Jewish ritual slaughter that is always of unstunned animals.

Halal slaughter is generally carried out in normal slaughterhouses to normal UK standards of stunned animals.

The difference is that a prayer is recited

Which you will agree has no effect on the suffering or otherwise of the animal.

I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
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I did not use the word Muslim ! I was referring to all religious slaughter, Shechita and Halal.

it was indeed amiss of me to not use the term shechita however halal is the big one
  • Religious Slaughter

    • Around 70–72% of sheep in England and Wales are slaughtered by Halal methods (stunned and non-stunned combined).
    • Significant proportions of poultry are also Halal.
    • Typically well under 1% of animals (sheep, cattle, poultry) are slaughtered by Shechita.
    • All Shechita slaughter is non-stun, as required by Jewish law.
    • Even within non-stun slaughter, Shechita forms only a small minority.

Interesting isn't it how they always say "Human Violence starts with how we treat animals," which reflects the widely supported idea that an individual's capacity for empathy is demonstrated by their interactions with all living beings.
And there we have the Israel / Palestine situation where both sides have behaved in the most disgusting cruel manner, a level of inhumanity that is lost on most of us. And then look at how both sides treat animals.......
 
JohnD said:
I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
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272,000 Jews in the UK, 94 million animals killed without being stunned.

Hmmmmm, those Jews are greedy *******s.
 
Munroast said:
Interesting isn't it how they always say "Human Violence starts with how we treat animals,"
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I doubt you will find a cruelty free environment anywhere with regards to the Western industrial meat consumer train. The whole industrial slaughter/meat consumption business is brutal.
 
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JohnD said:
You are mistaken.

It's Jewish ritual slaughter that is always of unstunned animals.

Halal slaughter is generally carried out in normal slaughterhouses to normal UK standards of stunned animals.

The difference is that a prayer is recited

Which you will agree has no effect on the suffering or otherwise of the animal.

I must say I find it very noticeable that you falsely ascribe animal cruelty to Muslims when it is in fact carried out by Jews.

Perhaps you are blinded by prejudice.

I see filly supports you.

No surprise there.
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There are about 290,000 Jews in the UK, 94 million animals are killed in the UK every year without being stunned.
 
noseall said:
I doubt you will find a cruelty free environment anywhere with regards to the Western the industrial meat consumer train. The whole industrial slaughter/meat consumption business is brutal.
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that is very true, but we should never of diluted our hard won laws on how we treat animals to accommodate Jewish os Muslim religious beliefs

And why is it the laws regarding labelling of meat as religious slaughter only on the one side - you can be sure that you are buying Halal, but a "Non Halal" section does not exist, any over production on the religious slaughter side gets pushed onto the general population - if you are a meat eater, you will have eaten meat slaughtered in the cruel way.
 
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