Freed doctor 'can quit Australia'

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...An Indian doctor will be allowed to leave Australia after charges linked to failed bomb attacks in the UK were dropped, government officials say...
...Australian Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said Dr Haneef was now free to leave the country, but added that his work visa would not be restored.
"The Commonwealth has no objection to Dr Haneef leaving Australia," Mr Andrews told reporters...

I wonder where that guy will seek employment?
Do the Aussies totally believe in his innocence? - The 'work visa' situation suggests not...

...Prosecutors had claimed that the doctor's SIM card had been found in the burning car that crashed into Glasgow international airport on 30 June.
But it later emerged the card had actually been found in a flat in Liverpool, some 300km (185 miles) from Glasgow, where his cousin lived...

Where did this info originate?
Given that we cannot be silly enough to get that sort of evidence wrong... What lies behind the 'get out'? Or was it Oz getting out from under?

 

[ellal]

Just goes to show what has become of 'western' democracy & freedom...

Australia and others have similar anti-terror laws as the UK (although some go further)..

Therefore it's OK to falsly detain someone, and then use any means to discredit them instead of even admitting they/we got it wrong!

No doubt if this guy had not been a foreigner he would have been put on an indefinate control order of some sort or another..

The terrorists are winning!!

 

[Softus]

I wonder where that guy will seek employment?

Who cares?

Do the Aussies totally believe in his innocence? - The 'work visa' situation suggests not.

The management reserve the right to refuse entrance.

Just goes to show what has become of 'western' democracy & freedom.

It shows nothing of the sort.

Australia and others have similar anti-terror laws as the UK (although some go further)..

Therefore it's OK to falsly detain someone, and then use any means to discredit them instead of even admitting they/we got it wrong!

Yes. It is. Get over it.

No doubt if this guy had not been a foreigner he would have been put on an indefinate control order of some sort or another.

There's plenty of doubt.

The terrorists are winning!!

Why? Is their dad bigger than your dad?

 

[ellal]

I wonder where that guy will seek employment?

Who cares?

Do the Aussies totally believe in his innocence? - The 'work visa' situation suggests not.

The management reserve the right to refuse entrance.

Just goes to show what has become of 'western' democracy & freedom.

It shows nothing of the sort.

Australia and others have similar anti-terror laws as the UK (although some go further)..

Therefore it's OK to falsly detain someone, and then use any means to discredit them instead of even admitting they/we got it wrong!

Yes. It is. Get over it.

No doubt if this guy had not been a foreigner he would have been put on an indefinate control order of some sort or another.

There's plenty of doubt.

The terrorists are winning!!

Why? Is their dad bigger than your dad?

Here we go again!

Just goes to show how little you care about right or wrong.

Or then again, maybe you're just the biggest troll around.

Oh, I nearly forgot.

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[Softus]

my entire post

Here we go again!

Meaning?

Just goes to show how little you care about right or wrong.

On the basis of even just one other topic, you have no real grounds for such a preposterous assertion. But then you're a specialist at those.

Or then again, maybe you're just the biggest troll around.

The now familiar style of the half-asked implied question.

 

[ellal]

Well softus - when someone is falsely accused of an offence, most rational thinking people would think that a government then being vindicative to cover they're own arses is just wrong.

But then as you said earlier, "who cares"...however, fortunately many do!

 

[Softus]

Well softus - when someone is falsely accused of an offence, most rational thinking people would think that a government then being vindicative to cover they're own a**es is just wrong.

Of course it's wrong. Sh*t happens. Grow up.

But then as you said earlier, "who cares"...however, fortunately many do!

If you're serious about disliking it then stop bleating and write to your MP.

 

[Stulz]

Well softus - when someone is falsely accused of an offence, most rational thinking people would think that a government then being vindicative to cover they're own a**es is just wrong.

But then as you said earlier, "who cares"...however, fortunately many do!

Ellal, I think your being way to simplistic on this. The system has worked. The Dr was accused of being involved in an extremely serious conspiracy and was detained by the Australians based on the evidence they were initially given.

It has now been established that there is insufficient evidence to hold the Dr as the initial evidence was either wrong or misleading. As a result he has been freed and allowed to travel freely. The Australians has stated he is free to leave if he chooses, but that his work Visa will not be renewed when it expires in 9 months time.

They are not deporting him or slurring him, they have not rescinded his Visa, as they have every right to do. Lets not forget that the Dr's cousin, whose home the sim card appears to have been found in, WAS a member of the bomb plot and is a terrorist, therefore it is right and proper that the security services investigate any and all links that all people associated with these people have. If they failed to do this then many more terror plots would succeed and many innocents would lose their lives as a result.

What happened to the Dr is unfortunate, but surely it is better that one or two individuals have a bit of aggro in their lives for a short while, than a link be ignored to satisfy the liberal mentality of some and that link being the one that plants a bomb in which children and other innocent people die?

It is a sad fact that for us to do our job then some of the innocent will be detained whilst any links they have are vigorously and diligently investigated. It is an unpleasant aspect of the job and more often than not the detained are innocent, but you would be very surprised at the useful information that is gleaned from these innocent people as they tend to know more than they realise and in many cases their help is crucial.

It is also possible, in the case of the Dr, that he has been released to lead security services to other members of the cell/organisation so that further attacks can be foiled prior to them being enacted.

 

[ellal]

Au contraire Stulz..It is you who is being a bit simplistic..

His visa WAS cancelled, and he has been smeared...lets see what the aussies are saying!

Federal ministers were in damage control today over the failed prosecution and Mr Andrews' refusal to reinstate his visa.

Queensland Premier Peter Beattie called for Mr Andrews to be disciplined for his "outrageous" decision on July 16 to revoke Dr Haneef's work visa after a magistrate had granted him bail.

"Now frankly, I think Kevin Andrews has got a lot to answer for," Mr Beattie told Network Ten......

But Mr Andrews said advice from the commonwealth solicitor-general confirmed he had been within his powers in cancelling Dr Haneef's visa on character grounds.

"His visa's been cancelled and unless there is some overturning of that by the Federal Court, it's my indication that that visa will remain cancelled," Mr Andrews told the Seven Network.

He had a choice ( )...go voluntary, or be deported - and not in 9 months time - his visa WAS cancelled!

The fact that no apology was given, and the fact that statements were also made like ...

Mr Andrews refused to return Dr Haneef's visa, saying he had more detailed AFP information than had been presented to the courts and was convinced he was right to withdraw the visa.....

Mr Andrews yesterday defended his actions, saying they were made on national security grounds and the doctor's decision to leave Australia deepened suspicions about his motives.....

A similar approach to the 'chemical bomb suspect' here who was shot, and then arrested on suspicion of kiddie porn - a charge dropped on the very day that a reoport exonerated the incompetencies of the police!

The simplistic approach is to dismiss the mal-treatment of innocent people as 'unfortunate', and is also counter-productive...because it alienates the very communities we need help from in combatting the terrorist threat!

 

[Softus]

He had a choice ( )...go voluntary, or be deported - and not in 9 months time - his visa WAS cancelled!

The management reserve the right to refuse entrance.

The simplistic approach is to dismiss the mal-treatment of innocent people as 'unfortunate', and is also counter-productive...because it alienates the very communities we need help from in combatting the terrorist threat!

Who has been alienated?
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[ellal]

Who has been alienated?

If you havn't worked that out by now, then there really is no hope for you ...

The management reserve the right to refuse entrance.

Except that the 'management' havn't worked out who the 'bad guys' are, and are too busy getting rid of innocents (to keep face) to tackle the real problem!

edit: is this really you softus?

 

[Softus]

If you havn't worked that out by now, then there really is no hope for you

If you ever had any hope then you have very poor judgement.

Except that the 'management' havn't worked out who the 'bad guys' are, and are too busy getting rid of innocents (to keep face) to tackle the real problem!

It doesn't matter who the bad guys are - if they want to eject the trouble-makers then it's up to them.

is this really you softus?

Yes - you can tell because I'm happy with the world and am not bleating ineffectually.

 

[ellal]

It doesn't matter who the bad guys are - if they want to eject the trouble-makers then it's up to them.

I think this just about sums up the stupidity of your argument..

Innocent people are 'trouble makers', and are therefore 'bad guys'?...

Or is it that Innocent people are 'trouble makers and you don't care about the bad guys?...

Either way you're a muppet...

 

[Softus]

I think this just about sums up the stupidity of your argument.

No, ellal, what it does is underline the way that you debate, which is to take each comment and warp and extrapolate it to a point where it appears to be ridiculous, and then proceed to ridicule it.

Innocent people are 'trouble makers', and are therefore 'bad guys'?

And there it is.

I know you want me to have implied that all innocent people are trouble-makers, but the fact is that I didn't.

Or is it that Innocent people are 'trouble makers and you don't care about the bad guys?

You remind me of those people who run Student Unions (or who used to back in my day) - people who consider themselves to be politically aware and active, but in fact have a kindergarten view of the world, unable to deal with its many subtleties and shades of grey.

The point that you persistently fail to grasp is that there any many things I care about, and very few that I don't. One of the things in the latter group is What You Think.

 

[Stulz]

Ellal, do you always believe the Press and a money oriented Lawyer?

The fact is that Dr Hanif has 9 months left on his Visa, and he (Andrews)does not have the authority under Australian law to revoke the visa UNLESS he can show to a Judge that he poses a significant threat or has been convicted of an offence in court.

Further Ellal, this is a matter for Australia, so why are you bleeting about it here?

This is a prime example of how the liberalisation of the law leaves people vulnerable when the rights of the accused or the guilty are deemed more important than the rights of potential or actual victims.

Perhaps if you had direct and personal experience of the aftermath of roadside bombs and other terrorist outrages the sight of children and babies torn into pieces you might choose to think differently. This is a god aweful business, and not one embarked upon littley, please remember that next time a soldier dies to allow you the freedoms to bleet like a sheep.