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Fused spur > socket, On lighting circuit in loft?

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by singinglad, 4 Mar 2020.

  1. singinglad

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    Hi all,

    Now i know this isnt ideal, but what is the best option. I need power to a poe switch in my mates loft. Max 150watts.

    There is no mains ring I can spur off, but there is a lighting circuit. I was going to put a 3amp fused spur to a single socket in the loft. I know it's not ideal.... but BY LAW as long as I did the required testing and filled minor works, would this be ok?

    I was thinking of labelling the socket stating "WIRED ON LIGHTING CIRCUIT" and "CCTV Socket Only". May even use a locking device on the socket so the plug cant be removed without padlock key.

    Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers
     
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    Yes, it's fine.

    You don't need the fuse but if you want the switch...
    It's nothing to do with THE LAW apart from ensuring it is safe.
    Your warning label is sufficient.
     
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    No need for a fused spur, just the socket will be fine despite what a certain person who will be along soon to say otherwise.
     
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    Do these need a minor works certificate?

    I do have testing equipment... passed down to me... but not sure if its needed?
     
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    Thank you
     
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    Strictly speaking all electrical work requires a certificate.

    You should test to ensure everything is satisfactory so you may as well record the results.
     
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    Huge help, thank you
     
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    What ever others say, as you say yourself it is not ideal. In fact it is bad practice to put 13 amp sockets on a lighting circuit. Think what would happen if someone later plugs in a 4 way splitter and say a fan heater. Loft plunged into darkness and a foot through the ceiling.

    Doing it for yourself is bad enough, but to do this for someone else is totally irresponsible.

    I don’t believe there is no ring to spur off. Must be a socket in a room below to spur from. Cable can be taken to the loft behind a wardrobe usually.
     
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    As predicted!
     
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    There is no lighting up there so anyone up their needs a torch. The socket would be padlocked off with labelling.

    If they put a heater on it,, wouldnt it trip the 3amp fuse? If that was faulty would it not then trip the MCB?

    Just thinking out loud?

    He has a newly plastered house. All built in wardrobes, very minimalistic. He doesnt want trunking running up the walls or chasing? So I'm struggling....
     
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    No it isn't.
     
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    And here he is, as night follows day, with his usual misguided utterance:rolleyes:

    This is what he believes in Winston's World. However, it is not bad practise. In fact, BS7671 - The Wiring Regulations - specifically lists BS1363 (ie 13a sockets) as one of the items that may be connected to a "lighting" circuit.
     
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    since most lofts are littered with cables and junction boxes from the lighting circuit supplying the roooms below, it is a trivial job to add one or more switches and light fittings up there.

    I favour a pull-switch above the loft hatch, but some people prefer a switch with neon on the landing ceiling next to the hatch, so you can see if the lights were left on.
     
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    So it it correct to not need a fused spur.

    I can literally just wire a socket into the lighting circuit (so long as the testing is all fine), or extra safe for me to put the 3amp fused spur?
     
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    You have already been told the fuse is unnecessary. FCUs are not used on lighting circuits. A 3 amp fuse will have no discrimination against a 6 amp MCB.

    Built in wardrobes, bring the cable up inside.

    New house, don’t bodge the wiring as the first job.
     
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