Garage lighting

[morqthana]

So it would be allowed to a suspended fluorescent light.

 

[pete01]

So it would be allowed to a suspended fluorescent light.

Don't worry about all that.

If you think he can wire all his lights in 2 core tell him that.

 

[morqthana]

What do you mean by "wire all his lights"?

Only someone stupid would think I was saying he could use 2-core flex in the circuit to the point where the flex to a suspended light fitting was connected.

 

[pete01]

What do you mean by "wire all his lights"?

Only someone stupid would think I was saying he could use 2-core flex in the circuit to the point where the flex to a suspended light fitting was connected.

Well the question was can he use 2 core lawnmower flex, I said no so what do you think?

 

[BS3036]

So it would be allowed to a suspended fluorescent light.

"A circuit protective conductor shall be run to and terminated at each point in wiring and at each accessory except a lampholder having no exposed-conductive-parts and suspended from such a point".

'Lampholder' is not defined in BS 7671, so the definition defaults to International Electrotechnical Vocabulary (IEC 60050-845) and the relevant IEC standards like IEC 60238 or IEC 60598 which restrict this exemption.

A lampholder is strictly the component that retains the lamp in position and connects it to the electrical supply. It is distinct from a luminaire; as this includes decorative housing beyond the basic socket.

The regulation refers to a lampholder suspended directly from a wiring point (such as a pendant drop hanging from a ceiling rose). A batten hung by chains with a separate supply flex running to it does not fit this specific pendant arrangement.

IEC Definitions of Lampholder vs Luminaire:

Luminaire (IEC 60050-845-30-01): An apparatus which distributes, filters, or transforms the light transmitted from one or more lamps and which includes all the parts necessary for supporting, fixing, and protecting the lamps, and, where necessary, circuit auxiliaries together with the means for connecting them to the supply. (Note: A lampholder itself is explicitly excluded from this definition when it stands alone).

Lampholder (IEC 60050-845-30-21): A device which holds the lamp in position, usually by having the cap inserted in it, in which case it also provides the means of connecting the lamp to the electric supply.

 

[morqthana]

Well the question was can he use 2 core lawnmower flex, I said no so what do you think?

Can he use it where?

 

[pete01]

Can he use it where?

In his garage, am I missing something?

 

[morqthana]

'Lampholder' is not defined in BS 7671, so the definition defaults to International Electrotechnical Vocabulary (IEC 60050-845) and the relevant IEC standards like IEC 60238 or IEC 60598 which restrict this exemption.

Does it say that in BS 7671?

 

[Highway Man]

Can he use it where?

Why are you arguing the most ridiculous point. He is wiring his garage lights and they are class 11. Why would you choose to use twin flex over 2 core and earth? The earth may not be needed now but if someone was to add a further light or replace an existing one with a metal chasis light, then wouldn't that be fun having to rewire the circuit because you chose to use the two core flex. Plus any new instal regardles of class11 you have to take an earth and terminate it even if it is into a wago or similar. Stop trying to muddy the waters when someone has asked a simple question. Just because you can doesn't mean that you should.

 

[pete01]

Why are you arguing the most ridiculous point. He is wiring his garage lights and they are class 11. Why would you choose to use twin flex over 2 core and earth? The earth may not be needed now but if someone was to add a further light or replace an existing one with a metal chasis light, then wouldn't that be fun having to rewire the circuit because you chose to use the two core flex. Plus any new instal regardles of class11 you have to take an earth and terminate it even if it is into a wago or similar. Stop trying to muddy the waters when someone has asked a simple question.

It's all he ever does, he waits for people to answer then picks on the answers instead of answering the original questions.

 

[Highway Man]

It's I'll he ever does, he waits for people to answer then picks on the answers instead of answering the original questions.

I find it incredible why anyone would just want to argue a silly point, the answer was given multiple times but he would rather see the OP wire his garage lights with twin flex. The mind boggles.

 

[morqthana]

Only someone stupid would think I was saying he could use 2-core flex in the circuit to the point where the flex to a suspended light fitting was connected.

... wouldn't that be fun having to rewire the circuit because you chose to use the two core flex. ...

Please pay attention.

 

[morqthana]

It's all he ever does, he waits for people to answer then picks on the answers instead of answering the original questions.

That is untrue.

But if I see advice which I believe to be questionable I will question it. Why should I not?

If I'd got in first with a "yes you can use 2-core flex for a lighting circuit" would you and HWM have let it go because you don't believe that "picking on answers" is OK?

 

[morqthana]

I find it incredible why anyone would just want to argue a silly point, the answer was given multiple times but he would rather see the OP wire his garage lights with twin flex. The mind boggles.

And I find it incredible that you refuse to accept the validity of the concept of discussing and debating and questioning things.

 

[pete01]

That is untrue.

But if I see advice which I believe to be questionable I will question it. Why should I not?

If I'd got in first with a "yes you can use 2-core flex for a lighting circuit" would you and HWM have let it go because you don't believe that "picking on answers" is OK?

I'd probably ignore it and put the proper answer below.

So what's your answer?