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[morqthana]

Where did I claim that? I said some people have horrible beliefs as a response to your apparent claim that having honest beliefs trumps everything. It doesn't.

I pointed out that if someone has honest, sincerely held beliefs then voicing them cannot be trolling.

Denso is refusing to accept that when I argue, or dissent, or ask for clarification or ask for proof, that I am doing do because of genuine, honest, beliefs.

So what, some people have horrible beliefs.

That "so what" means that you don't think that someone's beliefs can be genuine and honest if they are "horrible". Since you said it in the context of claiming that my beliefs are not genuine and honest, and that I am engaged in "out and out trolling", it seemed reasonable to ask you which of my beliefs you think are horrible.

But I accept that you don't think any of them are.

Therefore what is it about my beliefs, my principles, my positions, that makes you think I don't mean what I write?

 

[morqthana]

Soooo to sum up........everyone except morqthana wires lighting in 3 core....

The end.

I think you ought to attend a summing-up refresher class.

 

[denso13]

I pointed out that if someone has honest, sincerely held beliefs then voicing them cannot be trolling.

Which I don't agree with. If they are being deliberately provocative then they are also trolling. Which is what you fall under.

That "so what" means that you don't think that someone's beliefs can be genuine and honest if they are "horrible".

Not true.

Since you said it in the context of claiming that my beliefs are not genuine and honest, and that I am engaged in "out and out trolling", it seemed reasonable to ask you which of my beliefs you think are horrible.

Nonsense.

Therefore what is it about my beliefs, my principles, my positions, that makes you think I don't mean what I write?

I have never said that. I think you more than likely mean what you write but put it across in an unnecessarily argumentative and provocative way. You really don't need to do that, but you continue to choose to do so.

 

[morqthana]

Which I don't agree with. If they are being deliberately provocative then they are also trolling. Which is what you fall under.

But I am not being deliberately provocative.

I am being steadfast in my resolve to examine claims which people make, or opinions which they utter, in order to find out if there is any reasoning, logic, or evidence to support them.

I am being steadfast in my resolve to challenge statements which I believe to be untrue.

Not true.

So what was the truth, the logic, the reasoning, behind saying this:

Denso is refusing to accept that when I argue, or dissent, or ask for clarification or ask for proof, that I am doing do because of genuine, honest, beliefs.

So what, some people have horrible beliefs.

It is very difficult to see how that is not a repudiation of the principle that someone expressing a belief which they genuinely hold cannot be trolling, no matter how "horrible" that opinion is.

Therefore what is it about my beliefs, my principles, my positions, that makes you think I don't mean what I write?

I have never said that.

Oh yes you have.

An accusation of trolling is an accusation that I don't mean what I write but just do it to cause conflict, or to provoke emotional response, etc.

An accusation of trolling is exactly that.

I think you more than likely mean what you write

Then it cannot be trolling.

but put it across in an unnecessarily argumentative and provocative way. You really don't need to do that, but you continue to choose to do so.

I put it across in as unambiguous and forensic way as possible, and, if I can, not providing any way for someone wriggle out of answering a question, or providing proof of a claim, and so on.

I do hope you are not trying to claim that being "unnecessarily argumentative" is arguing with, or challenging, or seeking backup for, statements made which I think are wrong or need proving.

 

[denso13]

But I am not being deliberately provocative.

I believe you are, you can question things without using the inflammatory language you use, there is no need for it.

That is a key aspect of trolling, which I why I wrote what I did.

Simply believing something doesn't mean someone is immune from coming across as a ****.

I'm sure people like Winston actually believed what they wrote.