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Put on your hoody and Burberry baseball cap. Make sure you are wearing lots of bling. Get into you Max Powered car and p*ss off somewhere else.
There is no place for doing handbake turns on the public roads. If you wish to learn join a rally school and do it properly.
There is no place for doing handbake turns on the public roads. If you wish to learn join a rally school and do it properly.
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david and julie
Full lock in the direction you want turn, then as the car is turning full opposite lock and then handbrake as the back end is coming round.
Practice on mud or grass. Most modern car handbrakes aren't good enough on tarmac.
The hard part when done in defensive driving is to start and end up in a straight line, it takes lots of practice.
Practice on mud or grass. Most modern car handbrakes aren't good enough on tarmac.
The hard part when done in defensive driving is to start and end up in a straight line, it takes lots of practice.
nstreet said:Put on your hoody and Burberry baseball cap. Make sure you are wearing lots of bling. Get into you Max Powered car and p*ss off somewhere else.
There is no place for doing handbake turns on the public roads. If you wish to learn join a rally school and do it properly.
at no point did i say i was gonna do it in a public area. there are plenty places i could go. i just wanted to kno how to do it
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2scoops0406
A "fly off" i.e. non ratchet handbrake is also good. NOT on public roads please, or in snow covered car parks for that matter 
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david and julie
Thats true Eddie M. I should of said in my reply that you keep the button on the handbrake pressed in whilst doing a turn.
I think these sort off driving techniques are mostly lost on FWD cars it just isn't the same. I think the old RWD were much better handling and more exciting to watch.
That was until we got Quattro/Intergralle though, in rallying the flame throwing quattro's were a revelation and a sight to behold, fabulous.
This is one for us oldies, a good one must be worth a few bob now.
http://www.stratossupersite.com/
I think these sort off driving techniques are mostly lost on FWD cars it just isn't the same. I think the old RWD were much better handling and more exciting to watch.
That was until we got Quattro/Intergralle though, in rallying the flame throwing quattro's were a revelation and a sight to behold, fabulous.
This is one for us oldies, a good one must be worth a few bob now.
http://www.stratossupersite.com/
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2scoops0406
david and julie said:
Damn, didn't notice this one but I practiced this one a lot when I was an irresponsible teen... 
All very silly and infantile, but let's face it, any one of us would do it right now given a hirecar and an airfield! 
Fields are good, but the problem with a field is you need a nice flat one and flat ones are usually well kept for a reason and digging it up with your wheels isn't really on.
So, choose a large, empty car park, preferably in the middle of nowhere with no CCTV or security guards. Preferably on a wet day/night. Drive off in first gear, stay in first, yank the direction you wish to go on the steering wheel and jam on the handbrake. As dave pointed out, many modern cars have rubbish handbrakes. A trick I used was a bit of heel and toe in conjunction with the handbrake. That is, whilst you jam on the handbrake, apply a bit of throttle and just a smidge of brake with your right foot. That helps lock the back wheels.
Now, if you just wish to change direction and stop, make sure to depress the clutch as you start to slide, or you may stall (the car may want to roll backwards afterwards). However if you want to make a massive cloud of smoke, floor the throttle as the backend starts to slide. The car will still pivot around the front end, but you will be heading backwards at 30mph whilst the front wheels are spinning forwards at 30 mph. Nice.
You can do it at higher speed, but I would really recommend you get the hang of 30mph first or second gear handbrake turns before you try anything silly. I have never tried one above 40mph, and the car was rolling backwards pretty quickly after that one!
You can make the car do a nice pirouette if you do a handbrake turn with sufficient speed to roll backwards. What you do is handbrake turn, then snap the steering wheel round the OTHER way, using the clutch to avoid stalling. You will find you have turned 360 degrees or thereabouts. No need to change gears at any point, you aren't going backwards long enough to warrant reverse.
Fly-off handbrakes would be great (never tried one) but hydraulic ones are not legal on the road as they are no good for parking on a hill.
I have done exactly one handbrake turn on the public highway, I was really pi**ed off already, then my navigator had just given me a wrong turn so I had to turn round. The road being fairly wide and devoid of people and parked cars, and the hour being 3am, I handbraked it round. Definitely a very stupid thing to do.
All very silly and infantile, but let's face it, any one of us would do it right now given a hirecar and an airfield! Fields are good, but the problem with a field is you need a nice flat one and flat ones are usually well kept for a reason and digging it up with your wheels isn't really on.
So, choose a large, empty car park, preferably in the middle of nowhere with no CCTV or security guards. Preferably on a wet day/night. Drive off in first gear, stay in first, yank the direction you wish to go on the steering wheel and jam on the handbrake. As dave pointed out, many modern cars have rubbish handbrakes. A trick I used was a bit of heel and toe in conjunction with the handbrake. That is, whilst you jam on the handbrake, apply a bit of throttle and just a smidge of brake with your right foot. That helps lock the back wheels.
Now, if you just wish to change direction and stop, make sure to depress the clutch as you start to slide, or you may stall (the car may want to roll backwards afterwards). However if you want to make a massive cloud of smoke, floor the throttle as the backend starts to slide. The car will still pivot around the front end, but you will be heading backwards at 30mph whilst the front wheels are spinning forwards at 30 mph. Nice.
You can do it at higher speed, but I would really recommend you get the hang of 30mph first or second gear handbrake turns before you try anything silly. I have never tried one above 40mph, and the car was rolling backwards pretty quickly after that one!
You can make the car do a nice pirouette if you do a handbrake turn with sufficient speed to roll backwards. What you do is handbrake turn, then snap the steering wheel round the OTHER way, using the clutch to avoid stalling. You will find you have turned 360 degrees or thereabouts. No need to change gears at any point, you aren't going backwards long enough to warrant reverse.
Fly-off handbrakes would be great (never tried one) but hydraulic ones are not legal on the road as they are no good for parking on a hill.
I have done exactly one handbrake turn on the public highway, I was really pi**ed off already, then my navigator had just given me a wrong turn so I had to turn round. The road being fairly wide and devoid of people and parked cars, and the hour being 3am, I handbraked it round. Definitely a very stupid thing to do.
Get yourself a MK1 Toyotta MR2 (ideally a supercharged model). They're dirt cheap nowadays, and so well balanced you can have some terrific fun. Once you are cornering on the limit, coming off the throtle kicks the back end out, back down pulls it back in and pushes the front out. (I think this only works on mid engined cars)
Once you get the knack of it, you can go around roundabouts sideways under complete control. Much more satisfying than a single handbrake turn.
But a definate pull if the old bill are about.
Once you get the knack of it, you can go around roundabouts sideways under complete control. Much more satisfying than a single handbrake turn.
But a definate pull if the old bill are about.You can get some decent sideways action in the right FWD car.
Generally it has to be something light with skinny tyres. Used to do it all the time in a Mk2 Uno, but have never had the nerve to try it in my Astra (heavy car, widish tyres).
You have to get into the corner fairly quickly, then boot the throttle as you are turning in. The car understeers (usually severely), then you lift off the throttle, the front end grips and turns in, so the back end wants to overtake it. Hence the backend slides round and you get some nice oversteer. You can actually make it go rather far, it isn't just a tiny amount.
That was in a 45bhp Uno with "interesting" handling. I have never tried it in my car because the speed you can go around roundabouts without any understeer or tyre-squeal makes me think that it would probably get very unpleasant once the limit is reached. Although I would be interested to try it on a track with no kerbs or other cars about.
Generally it has to be something light with skinny tyres. Used to do it all the time in a Mk2 Uno, but have never had the nerve to try it in my Astra (heavy car, widish tyres).
You have to get into the corner fairly quickly, then boot the throttle as you are turning in. The car understeers (usually severely), then you lift off the throttle, the front end grips and turns in, so the back end wants to overtake it. Hence the backend slides round and you get some nice oversteer. You can actually make it go rather far, it isn't just a tiny amount.
That was in a 45bhp Uno with "interesting" handling. I have never tried it in my car because the speed you can go around roundabouts without any understeer or tyre-squeal makes me think that it would probably get very unpleasant once the limit is reached. Although I would be interested to try it on a track with no kerbs or other cars about.
david and julie said:Thats true Eddie M. I should of said in my reply that you keep the button on the handbrake pressed in whilst doing a turn.
I think these sort off driving techniques are mostly lost on FWD cars it just isn't the same. I think the old RWD were much better handling and more exciting to watch.
That was until we got Quattro/Intergralle though, in rallying the flame throwing quattro's were a revelation and a sight to behold, fabulous.
This is one for us oldies, a good one must be worth a few bob now.
http://www.stratossupersite.com/[/QUOTE]
Saw the final Lancia Strat' on the RAC years ago.... I think driven by Marku Alen. Have black n' white pix of it.
Best sight was in Kielder Forest, early hours, standing in open field we could see the stage start, then in a blaze of light with the Ferrari lump wailing, the Strat was approaching, slightly below us on a lane /track, what a sight !! as it was lit up strobe fashion by the enthusiast's camera flashes, into our field and flat through a bend and off into the forest !! Ever fragile it broke soon after .. a shame.
The REAL thing .. poor quality but I was there !! Midlands mickey stage I think, car of great chrisma ....
A winning combination ..Mikkola in his legendary Escort, somewhere in Wales same rally heading queue at stage start .. note the M&S tyres !!
We had just been chatting to the master, via the open door .. always had time for people Hannu and nav, crikey he was the Schumacher of rallying in those days, just look at the access for spectators !!
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david and julie
Nice piccies mate.
Although not the fastest, do you think the MK2 Escort is the most successful and recognised rally car ever?
Although not the fastest, do you think the MK2 Escort is the most successful and recognised rally car ever?
Not so sure, I would say Subaru Impreza, but that is because that is all I have ever known.
In the same way that I recognise D. Hill and M. Schumacher as the greatest of F1, but no doubt there were more successful drivers before them.
In the same way that I recognise D. Hill and M. Schumacher as the greatest of F1, but no doubt there were more successful drivers before them.
