Hooking up a cold rad to 80C water

[sukhjeetgrewal]

How many times do you have to be told. ....


NO!

But it is a stupid idea.

Jesus my head hurts.

Please dont mind me asking but may I ask why it is a stupid idea.

What is the reason that all boilers have a ramp up time

Why do normal boilers raise heating temperature slowly.

whats wrong if i decrease the rampup time when heating is called.

there are so many questions I need to ask.

Please dont think that im angry. but i think you have a lot of experience in this field i've got the answer to one question about radiator damage.

the more you argue the more I learn.

all i can tell right now is that there is 55lts of water at 80 degrees ready in a storage tank. I need to send it to the heating system.
Am i going to have any problems with that?

 

[JohnD]

yes. A typical heating system contains about 100 litres of water.

So if the house is cold and the rad are at, say, 15C, and you mix in your 55 litres at 80C, you will now have 155 litres at approx 36C (minus the heat that is aborbed by the radiators and pipes, which will be significant)

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

yes. A typical heating system contains about 100 litres of water.

So if the house is cold and the rad are at, say, 15C, and you mix in your 55 litres at 80C, you will now have 155 litres at approx 36C (minus the heat that is aborbed by the radiators and pipes, which will be significant)

You call it Mixing as if mixing hot water in a tub of cold water
I picture it as moving a slab of cold water inside a radiator FORWARD
that whole slab of cold water is pushed forward by a slab of hot water.
ofcourse there will be mixing but its gonna be only at the point where hot and cold water meet.
And if you picture the whole thing moving at a very high rate(because of a high speed pump)

I can imagine a point when half of you radiator will be hot and half will be cold

I hope you get what im trying to explain here

 

[CBF]

the water in a rad won't move that fast, buy a rad valve & look at how big the water channel is, plus i think you would be better trying to understand how a rad works

so you work for a co that is going to make a econ 7 thermal store & put a big pump on it, absolute & complete waste of their R&D budget.

sorry but how can you be even trying to invent a super duper new heating system when you don't seem to have the first clue about how a heating system works.

Goggle thermal store, or as they are commonly known sludge & scale buckets

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

the water in a rad won't move that fast, buy a rad valve & look at how big the water channel is, plus i think you would be better trying to understand how a rad works

so you work for a co that is going to make a econ 7 thermal store & put a big pump on it, absolute & complete waste of their R&D budget.

sorry but how can you be even trying to invent a super duper new heating system when you don't seem to have the first clue about how a heating system works.

Goggle thermal store, or as they are commonly known sludge & scale buckets

thanks very much that's a very valuable info you gave me right there regarding flow rates. I really need to consider max flow rates there.
At the moment i have fairly good idea about a heating system. But thats how everyone starts im sure there was a time when even you knew nothing about a heating system. you just told me to look into Sludge and Scale buckets.
This will of course help me expand my knowledge.

thanks again. anymore information is appreciated.

 

[Corgigrouch]

what will your radiators be made of?

ordinary radiator.

There is no such thing... Without thinking too hard,I can think of four metals that are in common use for radiators.... Let alone what they make radiators out of in India.

If your fuel source is a top secret, then why ask us about boilers that run on fuels that we use?.....This Dragon aint investing.

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

what will your radiators be made of?

ordinary radiator.

There is no such thing... Without thinking too hard,I can think of four metals that are in common use for radiators.... Let alone what they make radiators out of in India.

If your fuel source is a top secret, then why ask us about boilers that run on fuels that we use?.....This Dragon aint investing.

Sorry if i failed to explain the reason for asking about other boilers
the reason i asked for other similar boilers is that i want a working diagram or a schematic that actually shows a hot water cylinder connected STRAIGHT to heating circuit.(not indirectly thru a heat exchanger)

And fyi no one uses central heating in India We dont have harsh winters over there.
I'm studying in UK so Im more concerned about bringing this concept to UK market.
If its already there then please tell me the name of the boiler manufacturer who uses similar principal

 

[Corgigrouch]

So you know little about heating and how it works, how water flows, never heard of thermal stores and you are developing the next generation in heating which is a design from the ark....... Sounds like you work for Ideal

We can't really take you seriously... Can we?

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

So you know little about heating and how it works, how water flows, never heard of thermal stores and you are developing the next generation in heating which is a design from the ark....... Sounds like you work for Ideal

We can't really take you seriously... Can we?

I'd say I know a lot about how boilers work as my company also manufactures boilers.

but i have absolutely no idea where the boilers go. what kind of heating system they are connected to. i myself have an immersion water heater at home.
I use electrical heating where i live.
this is a new project and we may have to pump really hot water to a heating system.
im trying my best to know from people like you who have experienced these things. Rather than forming a test rig and buying a new radiator and connecting it and run it for a month on and off from cold to hot. wait for it to cool down.
with all of the above and **** load of money spent I still wont be able to find out how it will affect the heating system in the long run.
So i thought its best to ask people who have either worked in this field or have had problems with heating systems.
But I know a lot about how an average boiler works, diverter valves, control valves, heating circuit, pump, groupsets, and electronics boards that control all of these.

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

So you know little about heating and how it works, how water flows, never heard of thermal stores and you are developing the next generation in heating which is a design from the ark....... Sounds like you work for Ideal

We can't really take you seriously... Can we?

here is a link to a boiler i found that works Almost on our principle
http://www.acwilgar.co.uk/Boiler-Manual-PDF/Worcester Bosch/HIGHFLOW 400 RSF GCNo.47-311-18.pdf
but the problem with this one is that water from the store goes to pump(which is fine). but then it goes again to a heat exchanger and it gets heated before it enters the circuit.
Im looking for something where the water goes straight to the heating circuit from a STORE because i have a water store ready
can you please find me one?

 

[Onetap]

Im looking for something where the water goes straight to the heating circuit from a STORE because i have a water store ready
can you please find me one?

Range Powermax.

They don't make them anymore, though.

I can't think why.

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

Im looking for something where the water goes straight to the heating circuit from a STORE because i have a water store ready
can you please find me one?

Range Powermax.

They don't make them anymore, though.

I can't think why.

Thanks a lot.
I've been asking for a boiler since the beginning of this thread.
Finally I can rest in peace.(if it matches my requirements)

 

[Jackrae]

Don't tell anyone but I think the words "plutonium" or "fusion" might be in the equation

 

[sukhjeetgrewal]

Don't tell anyone but I think the words "plutonium" or "fusion" might be in the equation

hahah trust me just yesterday i was watching a documentary on cold fusion technology and also the way its been suppressed by these Big Oil. Anyway I wont **** these oil and gas industries. because my unit uses either one of them. Me and these oil and gas are in perfect harmony with each other.
just yesterday My Girlfriend was worried "they r gonna kill you please dont invent anything that runs for free".
my unit involves neither one of those words and nor it runs free.

 

[doitall]

Did you know if you had a mountain of farm manure it would get so hot in the middle you could heat a village.