how to swap 2 way switches to elkay

[stevesouthern]

Hi, and I'll thank everyone for their comments first. I am trying to fit a pair of Elkay 760A-1 switches in place of the standard 1 gang (upstairs) and 2 gang (downstairs) switches.

The downstairs 2 gang is connected via a live crossover jumper? so that it acts as an individual light downstairs. I want to remove the jumper wire and as so join the downstair light with the upstairs light. so they both come on together from 2 way switches. If you get my jist.

Now ill post the photos of the boxes and the photos of the install diagram so someone can re assure me.

Again thanks for any advice

the switches to be installed are diagrammed on the PDF

http://www.elkay.co.uk/data/files/350A-1 and 360A-1 2 WIRE PUSH & TOUCH.PDF

downstairs 2 gang

• stevesouthern
• 28 Aug 2014
• 1

operates 2 lights downstair light and the upstairs light

upstairs 1 gang

• stevesouthern
• 28 Aug 2014
• 1

operates just the upstairs light

 

[AndyPRK]

EDIT. ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T DO IT
You only have 2 wires between the switches and it appears all 3 are needed in your case

Down stairs fit both blacks to the middle terminal.

The live com wire to Live.


Upstairs connect the red com wire and black wire to middle terminal.

Use the last red to take the wire upstairs

You will have to do without the led wire

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can achieve two way switching if you only have two wires between the switches if you use these guys

http://www.retrotouch.co.uk/remotelightswitchespg/00361.html

I just installed a whole heap in a big refurb. Main problem: they are more than £70 a switch

 

[stevesouthern]

EDIT. ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T DO IT
You only have 2 wires between the switches and it appears all 3 are needed in your case

Down stairs fit both blacks to the middle terminal.

The live com wire to Live.


Upstairs connect the red com wire and black wire to middle terminal.

Use the last red to take the wire upstairs

You will have to do without the led wire

Can it not be done at all? Because it says on their website that the switches I have are for 2 way. http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/p4786273.pdf

 

[AndyPRK]

The problem is you want to combine the lights.

Maybe you need to fit 2 single boxes downstairs

 

[stevesouthern]

These are the actual switch backs

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• stevesouthern
• 28 Aug 2014
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• 28 Aug 2014
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[stevesouthern]

The problem is you want to combine the lights.

Maybe you need to fit 2 single boxes downstairs

That's ok. How? With the live jumper wire. If that's what it's called. Cheers

 

[AndyPRK]

Having the downstairs light on a conventional switch.

 

[JohnW2]

EDIT. ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T DO IT .. You only have 2 wires between the switches and it appears all 3 are needed in your case

Can it not be done at all? Because it says on their website that the switches I have are for 2 way. http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/p4786273.pdf

Those instructions seem to say:

When connecting with slaves use three core cable connecting the live in, live out and trigger terminals as shown in Diagram 2.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

<photos of wiring which does not appear to include an earth conductor>

These are the actual switch backs

<photos of metal switches>

If there is no earth, you cannot have metal switches.

Also, how many lighting circuits do you have? Are upstairs and downstairs on the same fuse/MCB?

 

[AndyPRK]

<photos of double insulated switches>

Well ur I can't see an earth terminal.


John 1 wire is optional.

 

[JohnW2]

<photos of wiring which does not appear to include an earth conductor>

If there is no earth, you cannot have metal switches.

You may be right, but we can see so little of the back boxes that's it's really impossible to tell, isn't it?

Kind Regards, John.

 

[JohnW2]

<photos of double insulated switches>

John 1 wire is optional.

Ah - so it is!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well ur I can't see an earth terminal.

True.

Can't see a DI symbol either though...

 

[stevesouthern]

Well ur I can't see an earth terminal.

True.

Can't see a DI symbol either though...

I'll get some more quality pics when I'm home later. Cheers