ICE told to get the eff out

[motorbiking]

An investigation published by the Wall Street Journal on Saturday identified 13 instances of immigration agents firing at or into civilian vehicles since July, leaving at least eight people shot, with two confirmed dead—including Good. It found that at least five of those shot were U.S. citizens...in almost every case, federal authorities justify the agent's actions by claiming the car was being used as a weapon, or the agent's life was in danger, even when evidence contradicts those claims.

The bar is quite low for this test.

 

[Odds]

The bar is quite low for this test.

As it doesn't serve real ale i have no interest.

 

[Highway Man]

The latest Trump justification for the killing is that Renee had been very disrespectful to law enforcement.

The killer's POV video shows that she was nothing but polite and friendly to the officers she spoke with.

The NY Times article ends:

Polite enough to try to run him down. Very polite of her.

 

[motorbiking]

Polite enough to try to run him down. Very polite of her.

I’d suggest her wife had some responsibility here.

 

[Highway Man]

I’d suggest her wife had some responsibility here.

I would imagine there will be some charges coming her way. She was the main instigator in all of this. I bet the dead lady’s family blame her too.

 

[Odds]

The cover-up begins...

The Trump administration secretly reimposed a policy limiting Congress members’ access to immigration detention facilities a day after a federal immigration officer fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis, attorneys for several congressional Democrats said Monday in asking a federal judge to intervene. Three Democratic members of Congress from Minnesota were blocked from visiting an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility near Minneapolis on Saturday...

 

[Highway Man]

The cover-up begins...

The Trump administration secretly reimposed a policy limiting Congress members’ access to immigration detention facilities a day after a federal immigration officer fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis, attorneys for several congressional Democrats said Monday in asking a federal judge to intervene. Three Democratic members of Congress from Minnesota were blocked from visiting an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility near Minneapolis on Saturday...

There is no cover up. The evidence is posted all over the internet to see. What they are doing is ignoring the very plebs that caused all of this in the first place.

 

[Highway Man]

What a lot of people are doing is whipping up a hatred towards ice. Anything that they do that they disagree with would be used against them as if to say “I told you so”. Therefore keep these at arms length in order to conduct a fair investigation to see if any wrong doings or any offences committed, so far they have drawn a blanc and are using silly tactics such as the direction her wheels were pointing and the speed of the vehicle etc. these are the wrong and irrelevant questions to be asked.

 

[Odds]

There is no cover up. The evidence is posted all over the internet to see. What they are doing is ignoring the very plebs that caused all of this in the first place.

 

[Highway Man]

Which way her wheels were pointing is totally irrelevant to the case. The FBI is rather like myself. They will know what questions to ask that are relevant to the guilt or otherwise.

 

[MNW67]

Which way her wheels were pointing is totally irrelevant to the case. The FBI is rather like myself. They will know what questions to ask that are relevant to the guilt or otherwise.

Is the argument you are making that she could quickly have changed direction and run him over.

 

[motorbiking]

Is the argument you are making there that she could quickly have changed direction and run him over.

As you should be aware by now, Graham v Connor - says no hindsight allowed.

This standard requires courts to focus solely on the facts known to the officer at the time of the incident. It recognizes that officers often make split-second decisions in dynamic situations. The officer's subjective intent is not relevant to the Fourth Amendment analysis; only objective facts are considered. Factors for determining reasonableness include the severity of the crime, whether the suspect posed an immediate threat, and if the suspect was resisting arrest or attempting to flee. This approach ensures officers are judged based on the immediate context they faced, not on information learned later.

 

[MNW67]

As you should be aware by now, Graham v Connor - says no hindsight allowed.

This standard requires courts to focus solely on the facts known to the officer at the time of the incident. It recognizes that officers often make split-second decisions in dynamic situations. The officer's subjective intent is not relevant to the Fourth Amendment analysis; only objective facts are considered. Factors for determining reasonableness include the severity of the crime, whether the suspect posed an immediate threat, and if the suspect was resisting arrest or attempting to flee. This approach ensures officers are judged based on the immediate context they faced, not on information learned later.

The objective fact is that a car with its wheels turned to the right will follow the laws of physics and go to the right. The officer knew the wheels were turned to the right because he had seen it with his own eyes.

 

[noseall]

The objective fact is that a car with its wheels turned to the right will follow the laws of physics and go to the right.

There was no intention or threat to run him over. Nor was he run over or injured.

 

[Highway Man]

The facts are not in the direction she was turning her wheel or not. She was heading towards the agent and accelerating. The ICE agent has no time to be looking at her wheel direction and trying to weigh up if the car would have enough time to turn and miss him. He acted on a split second decision that could cost him his life.