ICE told to get the eff out

motorbiking · 2026-01-19T17:47:21+0000

MNW67 said:
Is that the only thing. Are you saying that everything else would have played out the same. That corresponds with what I believe.

MNW67 said:
And what do you think was the impact of that escalation. Did it cause the agents to do anything differently. Would they still have tried to arrest Renee if Becca hadn't mouthed off.

Are you open to the idea that it was not one single binary act, but a combination of escalating behaviour?

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T17:47:44+0000

MNW67 said:
And what do you think was the impact of that escalation. Did it cause the agents to do anything differently. Would they still have tried to arrest Renee if Becca hadn't mouthed off.

They may have arrested her or give her a warning, better than being shot I would have thought.

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T17:51:50+0000

MNW67 said:
I am completely neutral on this point and am just interested in people's views.

motorbiking said:

Your problem is that you see every discussion as a battle which has to be won. You are unable to accept that somebody is being neutral and just trying to establish others views. It was the same earlier today when I posted some totally neutral information about US law. You immediately became aggressive and confrontational, rather than trying to discuss it reasonably and politely.

JohnD · 2026-01-19T17:54:17+0000

Highway Man said:
Now you are being silly

You were being silly when you included it in your justification for the killing.

Some sort of prejudice showing through.

Which lesbians do you think ought to be shot, then?

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T17:56:33+0000

JohnD said:
You were being silly when you included it in your justification for the killing.

Some sort of prejudice showing through.

Which lesbians do you think ought to be shot, then?

Oh come on, you have to be kidding? How would you describe these two young ladies?

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T17:59:02+0000

Highway Man said:
Oh come on, you have to be kidding? How would you describe these two young ladies?

A really nice friendly woman and an annoying bolshie woman. I would not have mentioned their sexuality at all, though.

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T18:00:20+0000

MNW67 said:
A really nice friendly woman and an annoying bolshie woman. I would not have mentioned their sexuality at all, though.

Well are you now thinking that calling a lesbian a lesbian is now insulting.. Jeez

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T18:01:00+0000

motorbiking said:
Are you open to the idea that it was not one single binary act, but a combination of escalating behaviour?

I am open to any ideas. But I can't work out what that means.

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T18:02:56+0000

Highway Man said:
Well are you now thinking that calling a lesbian a lesbian is now insulting.. Jeez

I just wouldn't do it.

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T18:04:11+0000

MNW67 said:
A really nice friendly woman and an annoying bolshie woman. I would not have mentioned their sexuality at all, though.

Well I will give you a tip from a streetwise person, call it free advice if you want,, calling a lesbian a lesbian is not insulting to them, calling a girl a lesbian who may not be a lesbian is considered insulting. Its 2026 and lesbians are loud and proud nowadays.

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T18:05:23+0000

MNW67 said:
I just wouldn't do it.

Typical lefty, thinks everything is offensive.

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T18:06:03+0000

Highway Man said:
Well I will give you a tip from a streetwise person, call it free advice if you want,, calling a lesbian a lesbian is not insulting to them, calling a girl who may not be a lesbian is considered insulting. Its 2026 and lesbians are loud and proud nowadays.

I didn't say it was insulting. You asked what I would have called them. I answered your question.

Highway Man · 2026-01-19T18:06:52+0000

MNW67 said:
I didn't say it was insulting. You asked what I would have called them. I answered your question.

Why wouldn't you call them a pair of lesbians when that is what they are? To me it sounds like you have a problem or are embarrassed over lesbians.

MNW67 · 2026-01-19T18:09:00+0000

Highway Man said:
Why wouldn't you call them a pair of lesbians when that is what they are?

I don't know. It is a long time since I have thought about these things. To me, men are men and women are women. Would you call a married man and woman a heterosexual couple.

motorbiking · 2026-01-19T18:14:06+0000

MNW67 said:
I am open to any ideas. But I can't work out what that means.

there is no single person or act to"blame" there were failures all sides.
I've said many times I have suspicion that Ross placed himself in Jeopardy, possibly deliberately. It would be difficult to prove.
The Goods approached the situation as entitled, untouchable "US citizens".
ICE were clearly fed up with their interference and obstruction.
'Becca Good's gobbing off escalated the confrontation and her final error, telling her wife to flee was extremely stupid.
Nicole Good was unwise to block the road, it gave ICE a reason to act. Probable cause felony obstruction etc.
Nicole good was unwise to ignore the instruction to get out.
Ross was unwise to stand in front of a car that he suspected was about to drive off.
Nocole Good was unwise to drive off encouraged by her wife.
Ross could have jumped out the way.
The Goods should have known the risk of driving off while surrounded by armed officers.

None of Ross' actions makes his use of force unlawful in US law. I think that is wrong, but that is how it is.

ICE told to get the eff out

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