IS IT LEGAL TO DIY GAS- FAQ

[doitall]

No I'm not saying that all diyers will be incompetent.
But if they don't KNOW they're competent then they won't be.
It's not like someone's going to do a tightness test correctly by guessing, is it?
Are you saying it's ok for him to do things because he MIGHT NOT make a mistake?

It's Donald Rumsfeldt's "Unknown Unknowns" which will catch him out.

Subjectives on whatever you/I think is irrelevent.

I don't think they should, and at the fundamental review 06/07 50% didn't think it was a good idea, but did they ban DIY gas, NO because they didn't think it was a problem.

They did say they would review the situation in 5 years 2011/12

 

[Breesey]

The work was being done for gain (he a landlord and the house was a business) ..so Corgi registration needed.

No, it was being done to save and cut corners. Common landlord behaviour but in any case DIY. As the inspector says the man was not accredited to do the work and therefore should not have done it.

 

[nickso]

as I quoted verbatum reg 26 stipulates statutory checks.

other that say a retired rgi or lapsed, both of which i would say were competent to perform the statutory tests.

how would a diyer even understand what those words mean?
therefore how could they carry out the statutory tests?

therefore they are deemed to be incompetent due to ignorance of the regs.

the same way you learned the regs? by reading?

 

[doitall]

"At present we do not believe that this evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY."

can I politely ask is the source here the hse site? .

Thats was from the HSE fundamental review, the links to it were posted but deleted.

As I said a one sided argument to suit the needs.

And ARGI were represented and took part in that review.

 

[Breesey]

Seems a one sided argument again, Delete what you don't like or understand

Is it. The stupid mod keeps deleting stuff because it proves DIY is *****. This bunch are only concerned at money making that safety.

Now..

232. Data currently available suggests that a number of gas incidents have occurred over recent years where DIY is directly or indirectly implicated, but, the link is not always entirely clear and in some cases it is possible for other factors to have contributed. At present we do not believe that this evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an
absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY.

That's pretty definitive. This statement above from the HSE, says DIY is *****. Clear and proven!!!!!

So why are you all still drivelling on, and on, and on!!

It's not at all definitive regarding DIY gas work, it merely states that they believe that the wording of the requirements as they now stand are sufficient to show that unaccredited gas work is not legal.

 

[ChrisR]

ChrisR wrote:
No I'm not saying that all diyers will be incompetent.
But if they don't KNOW they're competent then they won't be.
It's not like someone's going to do a tightness test correctly by guessing, is it?
Are you saying it's ok for him to do things because he MIGHT NOT make a mistake?

It's Donald Rumsfeldt's "Unknown Unknowns" which will catch him out.

Subjectives on whatever you/I think is irrelevent.

If it's subjective, which part do you disagree with?

 

[WDIK]

as I quoted verbatum reg 26 stipulates statutory checks.

other that say a retired rgi or lapsed, both of which i would say were competent to perform the statutory tests.

how would a diyer even understand what those words mean?
therefore how could they carry out the statutory tests?

therefore they are deemed to be incompetent due to ignorance of the regs.

the same way you learned the regs? by reading?

the regs dont teach you spillage, flue flow tests or how to take a pressure reading, or will that be in the next edition

 

[nickso]

as I quoted verbatum reg 26 stipulates statutory checks.

other that say a retired rgi or lapsed, both of which i would say were competent to perform the statutory tests.

how would a diyer even understand what those words mean?
therefore how could they carry out the statutory tests?

therefore they are deemed to be incompetent due to ignorance of the regs.

the same way you learned the regs? by reading?

the regs dont teach you spillage, flue flow tests or how to take a pressure reading, or will that be in the next edition

it was you who stated they would be incompetent "due to ignorance of the regs" not me. if you want to be pedantic about it the tests you mention can be found in other documents.

the only thing a diyer will be missing is practice. everything that an rgi uses on a daily basis can be found easily enough.

 

[doitall]

The regs don't teach you anything. ACS does that

 

[nickso]

The regs don't teach you anything. ACS does that

the acs doesnt teach you anything either.