Is it murder or man slaughter

[blup]

Plod didnt stab him though, they are not qualified Drs

Hence the additional manslaughter charge

 

[motorbiking]

Hence the additional manslaughter charge

Alternative charge. But I think you meant that.

 

[Highway Man]

Anyone who is willing to thrust a knife into someones chest should be automatically charged with attempted murder and if the victim dies then tried for murder.

 

[blup]

Anyone who is willing to thrust a knife into someones chest should be automatically charged with attempted murder and if the victim dies then tried for murder.

The law needs re form if that’s the case

 

[Highway Man]

The law needs re form if that’s the case

Nige will get this sorted

 

[Elsa TLC]

Some info here.

Killing of Henry Nowak - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe the defence is arguing plod could have saved him?

Surely the first thing a copper needs to di is make safe. Then deal with the injuries. The stabber in this case should be held responsible for occupying the coppers time, when he could have saved a life.

 

[MNW67]

Mbk has told the forum on many occasions that you have to Intend it. Id be willing to bet there are many cases of multiple stabbings that don’t get past gbh.

If you realise that stabbing someone will cause really serious harm and do it anyway then that is intent.

 

[Highway Man]

If you realise that stabbing someone will cause really serious harm and do it anyway then that is intent.

You would have to be pretty daft to think otherwise.

 

[blup]

Nige will get this sorted

Let him start with all the dodgy re form candidates who made it past vetting.

 

[blup]

If you realise that stabbing someone will cause really serious harm and do it anyway then that is intent.

As in, if you realise that driving a car really fast would kill somebody is murder?

 

[MNW67]

As in, if you realise that driving a car really fast would kill somebody is murder?

You will need to clarify your question a bit for me to answer that.

But this is what I am talking about:

In criminal law, the difference between direct intent and oblique intent depends entirely on whether the prohibited consequence was the defendant's primary goal or merely an inevitable side-effect of their actions.

 

[blup]

You will need to clarify your question a bit for me to answer that.

But this is what I am talking about:

Its not inevitable that someone will die if they are stabbed. Its murder morally but not legally.

 

[MNW67]

Its not inevitable that someone will die if they are stabbed. Its murder morally but not legally.

That's not what I was saying. My point is that if you stab someone five times with an eight inch blade, then it is inevitable that you will cause them 'really serious harm'. And if they then die as a result, then that is murder. Even if causing them 'really serious harm' wasn't your goal.

 

[Brigadier]

Let him start with all the dodgy re form candidates who made it past vetting.

The "finest upstanding hardworking" who he latterly states he "barely knew, and never met" ones, you mean?

 

[motorbiking]

As in, if you realise that driving a car really fast would kill somebody is murder?

How many people who drive their car really fast , kill people? 0.00001% perhaps?
How many people who stab someone 5 times with an 8 inch knife kill? 40,60,80% perhaps?

have a read of the alternative counts section.

It may help frame what is going on.

Homicide: Murder, manslaughter, infanticide and causing or allowing the death or serious injury of a child or vulnerable adult | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk