Israel slaughters more starving refugees

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fillyboy said:
True but the only really relevant ones are Iran, Saudi, Turkey, Qatar. Sunni or Shia is the dividing line, Turkey will side with Saudi and by default Israel, Qatar want to become Westernised but can't help themselves so fund Hamas, although now distancing themselves from them. The Arab nations have enough problems and divides between themselves, whilst still graduating toward normalisation with Israel. Iran are the main outlier and are still sworn to the destruction of Israel.
It's interesting to note China's change of language toward Iran, not such a staunch supporter as they were 6 months ago, they're not stupid.

The landscape of the Middle East is evolving, changing for the better, Israel and Saudi will be at the forefront of this.

Starmer's not stupid either judging by recent statements regarding recognition of Palestine as a state.
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That may, or may not be the case, but I was talking about the civilians/ordinary people in those countries. It was implied that Palestinian civilians will always hate us, and I don't think that's true. Although, if they link us to Israel, who knows.
 
denso13 said:
That may, or may not be the case, but I was talking about the civilians/ordinary people in those countries. It was implied that Palestinian civilians will always hate us, and I don't think that's true. Although, if they link us to Israel, who knows.
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Of course they hate us, no question about it
 
Is it because we steal their land, destroy their homes and hospitals, shoot their toddlers, and starve their children?

Some of us don't do that

If we did, we should expect to be hated.
 
Odds said:
France are prepared to recognise the State of Palestine in September and Starmer is being urged by more of his MPs to do the same. The Eu is more opposed to Israel than at the start of this war due to the actions of Netanyahu's government and their IDF stormtroopers.
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A country recognising another as a state doesn't automatically make it a state. The UK, Germany and the US aren't playing ball. Most of Africa and France are, big deal. Palestine had the opportunity to become a state in 1948, they rejected it in preference to terrorism.

Ease off with the Nazi comparisons btw, you serve no purpose other than to make yourself look a like an ignorant ***t.
 
JohnD said:
That's not a very fulsome defence of Israel.

Have you just read the page where it says "appear to speak like a reasonable, questioning person?"
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I am finding it difficult to believe the news coming out of gaza at the moment, I still do not believe that Israel is actually commiting genocide but I am struggling to see why they are stopping the aid when there are people starving in there.
 
Apart from the destruction of the ghettoes of Warsaw and Gaza.
 
fillyboy said:
Of course it's a legitimate war you fool. Gaza invaded Israel, Israel retaliated.

Hamas refuse to lay down their arms and release the hostages, Israel are compelled to carry on fighting until all the hostages, dead or alive are released.
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That's a strong point. They's too bloody indiscriminate though. Israel has hundreds of thousands available for the army alone. Gaza is the size of London.
They could at some point have used a large land force instead of "get out while we flatten where you all live and we starve you",
Of course they hate us because we're Westerners supporting the American obdurate supercilious self righteous, arrogant, pompous insufferable a-holes. There was a time when we and the French had decent relations with Iran, Lebanon and more.
In WW2 it was part of the British "mandate " to keep peace, of sorts in the whole palestine bit of the partitioned (Ottoman) region. My father was one of them. They tried to stop the factions attacking each other, so nobody liked them/us. The Brits /French (& co?) initiated the Israel idea under Balfour so the Palestinians were hostile because that was a recent memory.

There would have been political ramifications I'm not competent to foresee, but by now I would have wanted to say "WTF do you think you're doing", to Netty, and put a big bote in the med discharging rations by Herculese(?) with Union Jacks on them, and flying a few obbo drones around. I think the Palestinian/arab leaders would have allowed it. French and others might have joined in.
 
Highway Man said:
I am finding it difficult to believe the news coming out of gaza at the moment
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But are you trying?

You told me Israelis were decent people who would not do tne things they're doing.

Hind Rajab would disagree, but she can't. What do you know about her?

In other news,


https://www.ft.com/content/a30622db-46fc-4449-a82a-776b2cc11c56

"James Shotter in Jerusalem and David Sheppard in London
PublishedJUL 21 2025
UpdatedJUL 21 2025, 23:45

Twenty-eight countries, including the UK, Canada, Japan and more than a dozen EU nations, have condemned the “drip feeding of aid” and “inhumane killing of civilians” in Gaza, as they demanded an immediate end to Israel’s war with Hamas in the shattered Palestinian enclave.

In one of the largest co-ordinated denunciations of Israel’s actions in Gaza, the countries on Monday warned that the suffering of Gazan civilians had reached “new depths” and branded a controversial, privately run aid distribution scheme introduced by Israel in the enclave as “dangerous”.

They also lambasted the repeated killings of Palestinians — including children — trying to collect aid, a day after Hamas accused Israeli forces of being responsible for the deaths of more than 60 people as they waited for a food convoy in north Gaza."

FT.com


Filly will try to tell you that the Financial Times is the voice of Hamas.

It isn't.
 
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Highway Man said:
I am finding it difficult to believe the news coming out of gaza at the moment, I still do not believe that Israel is actually commiting genocide but I am struggling to see why they are stopping the aid when there are people starving in there.
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They're not stopping the aid. At the commencement of the aid embargo it was calculated there was a 3 month supply of food inside Gaza. There's actually still food in Gaza if you can afford 100 dollars for a small sack of flour, the whole point of the new system is that the aid would bypass Hamas who either stole it for their own use or sold it at hugely inflated prices to fund their war effort. The UN, have been asked to help with distribution but have refused because they want to see the Israel/USA initiative fail.

Latest I heard this afternoon is that Israel has agreed to airdrops of aid from Jordan, the UN are still as far as I'm aware, refusing to help, the dilemma Israel faces is that if the UN do get involved, that places the aid straight back into the hands of Hamas.

It's a **** up for sure, eventually the right questions will be asked and the UN won't be shown in a good light,
 
Highway Man said:
I am finding it difficult to believe the news coming out of gaza at the moment, I still do not believe that Israel is actually commiting genocide but I am struggling to see why they are stopping the aid when there are people starving in there.
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It's what people do. I think many of us have the potential to be a-holes, but too many don't recognize it.. "Operational requirements" covers a multitude. When the boss doesn't actually give a sh1t, or has to give that impression due to political necessity, all things can become "necessary".

There is rhyme with Nazis. They started as ordinary folk like you or me, but got their "mentality" twisted. It was the "Zeitgeist", though the word was coined 100 years before.
 
fillyboy said:
They're not stopping the aid. At the commencement of the aid embargo it was calculated there was a 3 month supply of food inside Gaza. There's actually still food in Gaza if you can afford 100 dollars for a small sack of flour, the whole point of the new system is that the aid would bypass Hamas who either stole it for their own use or sold it at hugely inflated prices to fund their war effort.
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Israeli propaganda.
 
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