Largest nursing strike in NHS history set to start

[JonathanM]

That's easy to say, but is it true?

I've read previously that the NHS has lower costs of management and administration than any other large health system. 8% overall I think.

The most recent figure I've found is that the average NHS trust has 5000 employees, of which 79 are classed as managers.

A £150 billion organisation, seeing millions of people, needs a lot of administrators. Every day things like booking appointments and organising rotas.

 

[johnny2007]

I've read previously that the NHS has lower costs of management and administration than any other large health system. 8% overall I think.

The most recent figure I've found is that the average NHS trust has 5000 employees, of which 79 are classed as managers.

A £150 billion organisation, seeing millions of people, needs a lot of administrators. Every day things like booking appointments and organising rotas.

Don't know the figures, but just ask any nhs operational staff and they'll all tell the same thing: too many managers and admin (aka pen pushers)

 

[Notch7]

Don't know the figures, but just ask any nhs operational staff and they'll all tell the same thing: too many managers and admin (aka pen pushers)

Probably due to govt pushing all those targets onto NHS.

I recall call GPs have something like 76 targets needed recording.

 

[JohnD]

Don't know the figures, but just ask any nhs operational staff and they'll all tell the same thing: too many managers and admin (aka pen pushers)

So you don't know if it's true or not.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

This shows NHS England's funding split for FY 19/20.

Graph breaks down the 'waste and mismanagement' in NHS's finances

The NHS could stump up cash to pay striking staff better wages if it cut down on 'unacceptable levels of waste and mismanagement', campaigners claimed today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ajohn]

Probably due to govt pushing all those targets onto NHS.

I recall call GPs have something like 76 targets needed recording.

Trouble with targets is the resources to meet them. Blare reduced waiting times by directing some treatment work to the private sector. The total cost of that has been increasing ever since probably via more work for them. The only way to stop that is to increase NHS resources but say the same idea was used to help with the extra winter load. That would be entirely different as far as NHS economics are concerned but not so good for the private sector as they would need more resources to cope in the same period.

A person who uses the private sector may still be sent to the NHS for treatment but at least things have appear to have been tightened up to try and ensure their insurance does pay the full cost. There is more control on this area. Raft of legislation that I have only seen part of. It seems the NHS may even start bidding for private treatment work.

 

[JohnD]

This shows NHS England's funding split for FY 19/20.

Have you got any information from a reputable source?

(i.e. not the daily wail)

 

[johnny2007]

This shows NHS England's funding split for FY 19/20.

Graph breaks down the 'waste and mismanagement' in NHS's finances

The NHS could stump up cash to pay striking staff better wages if it cut down on 'unacceptable levels of waste and mismanagement', campaigners claimed today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Would be nice to see staff salaries split into management and operational staff.

 

[JohnD]

"Campaigners claimed today" is not convincing evidence.

 

[ajohn]

Have you got any information from a reputable source?

Seems they shouldn't prescribe medication the way it is written. Any tom nod can do it. Actually in a hospital it may be a specialised medic. Sort of super gp that can if needed prescribe drugs a GP can't. The hospital only type.

A nurse does not earn £37k. Why not use the other number that is possible, a bit over £100k, Some earn either of them. The min plus a London allowance doesn't reach £37k.

Reporting like this is just slanted along with a lack of factual information to give some something to moan about.

There is another as well. Effect of nurses on strike blah blah. Actually it is known from an earlier strike in N Ireland and the same ideas are being used. Might explain why gov doesn't give a toss. Wear them out and try and shift public opinion - all is there fault even needing a pay rise. If anything does happen it will be splashed across the news. What wont be considered is if it happened before the strike. The excess death period - some portion of that is put down to NHS being choked up aspects but lets forget that.

An ambulance driver hears an emergency call and is hanging around in a queue so can't respond. Lets forget that too.

Increases in funding. If figures are available you may find it's usually about 4%. Sort of fixed. When extra is put in due to what the DOH covers it's hard to be sure where it is going. The new UC also makes it hard to see where that is going. Data was available on working tax credits.

Some or most of the NI increase was bound to have been for the increase in economically inactive people. There also appears to be an increase in longer term illness. 50's mentioned - an age where it can be difficult to get another job.

 

[Notch7]

 

[JohnD]

See below.