Limitations on where a boiler can be installed

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Hello,
I'm working on SWMBO on agreement for getting rid of the Rayburn (mains gas cooking and system boiler all in one) and replacing it with a normal system boiler for CH and DHW and a proper cooker.

One particular carrot I'm dangling is that the boiler could be out of the kitchen entirely and instead placed behind the dwarf wall that partitions some of the roof/floor space in our chalet bungalow. To my way of thinking, putting it up there is actually nearer the cylinder so less heat loss.

However I've identified some other reasons why it might not be possible to have it in this space, but I don't know if they're solid enough concerns or against any regs.
a) Gas run from the meter is longer
b) Roof space will need extra venting
c) A modern boiler might be too big to fit in there
d) Fire risk from all the bare/exposed timber in there
e) Exhaust tube/stack/pipe may be too short or must exit horizontally (which is probably inappropriate for the location I have in mind
f) Boiler is at the same height as the cylinder and so somewhat contrary to a natural thermo-syphon if one is required (only solid fuel???)
g) It's really quite hot up there in summer, obviously not as hot as the boiler internals.... but is there an ambient temperature limit that should not be exceeded for reliable, long term operation of any boiler?
h) as per above, obviously in the winter it's much colder up there - and until it is warm (let's say the first time it fires of a cold morning), a large chunk of metal in a cold space tends to attract condensation. Not quite as bad as having one outside. Do people have them fitted outside?

Any other things to consider? This project is still at the drawings stage, so it's beneficial to know the limitations before progressing too far. Running the condensate to a drain shouldn't be a problem.

Nozzle
 
Roof space will need extra venting

No it won't

A modern boiler might be too big to fit in there

Get a small one. Or two.

Fire risk from all the bare/exposed timber in there

No fire risk at all. Where are you getting that from?

Boiler is at the same height as the cylinder and so somewhat contrary to a natural thermo-syphon if one is required

There was a marvellous invention several decades ago - its called a pump. System boilers have them built in.

It's really quite hot up there in summer, obviously not as hot as the boiler internals.... but is there an ambient temperature limit

Not a problem

obviously in the winter it's much colder up there -

Boilers have frost protection built in usually. If not it is added on the installation.

This is one we did recently - the big white thing on the right is a cylinder in the loft too.
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Sounds promising then :-) That loft space is massive compared to what I have available though (pic to follow). Thanks for the guidance.

Nozzle
 
a) Not usually a problem beyond the need to increase the size of the pipe coming from the meter
b) Why?
c) I can't see the space so I can't comment on this
d) Not an issue - modern gas boiler casings don't get hot
e) Vertical flues are available. Again, impossible to suggest what might be suitable without being able to see it
f) Modern boilers are fully pumped, they don't work on thermosyphon (gravity) systems
g) Consult the installation instructions of the boiler being installed for guidance
h) Might need a frost thermostat but that's all. A couple of boilers can be fitted outside with a casing around to keep the reason off
 
This is the space I have available to me. You can see the cold supplies and flow/returns to the cylinder which is the other side of the dwarf wall.

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Here is one of the two access doors available, they're both a similar size
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I realised the current boiler set-up needs two open vents through the kitchen wall to the outside world in order to permit sufficient fresh air into the room. I recognise modern boilers, if room sealed, take all the air they need from outside anyway. I don't know if it is possible to get a room sealed boiler into this space, on account of the only wall available being just a timber carcass - and therefore may be floor standing instead.

I don't want to give myself more problems that it solves by making it difficult for the service guy to get in there and take the covers off or whatever. So hard, to the point they'll only ever come to my address once and never return the next year if it's a b1tch of a job.

Nozzle
 
This option looks to be a go-er so should help me to sway SWMBO's mind.



...I should know better

Nozzle
 

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